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Saturday, April 12th, 2014 04:07 pm (UTC)
RIGHT?

Like, I make jokes about how Thor's great plan is to save the world by hugging, but FOR REAL. I am so sick of "dark" and "gritty", and the MCU is proving time and again that it can do Big Topics and still be a shining example of things we should WANT. It gives me faith that Natasha will not only GET a movie, but that it will make me happy.

And I am extra glad that the internet is down with this (for the most part. I am pretty choosy in my internet going, let's be honest).
Sunday, April 13th, 2014 05:44 am (UTC)
Like, I make jokes about how Thor's great plan is to save the world by hugging, but FOR REAL. I am so sick of "dark" and "gritty", and the MCU is proving time and again that it can do Big Topics and still be a shining example of things we should WANT.

Agree. There is always a sense of hope in the MCU, which I feel is really vital to a good superhero story, even if it's not the primary emotion.
Sunday, April 13th, 2014 12:04 am (UTC)
I'm sick of dark and gritty too and I'm sick of Warner Bros' obsession with white dicks (read somewhere all the movies coming out for them this/next year star white dicks). Marvel is kicking DC's ass. If they didn't have iconic characters they wouldn't even exist anymore.
Sunday, April 13th, 2014 05:06 am (UTC)
I'm sick of dark and gritty too and I'm sick of Warner Bros' obsession with white dicks (read somewhere all the movies coming out for them this/next year star white dicks). Marvel is kicking DC's ass. If they didn't have iconic characters they wouldn't even exist anymore.

PREACH.

I am so glad that enough time has passed that people are starting to realize that the Nolan Batman movies (while, honestly, having some good qualities) are also needlessly grim with some really fucked up subtext.
Sunday, April 13th, 2014 08:47 am (UTC)
Ugh yes. Have you seen tthis one? (http://morethanprinceofcats.tumblr.com/post/82167884773/lmao-okay-so-i-read-the-vulture-article-everyones) It's discusses how the gritty hero is wanted to elevate privileged men.
Sunday, June 1st, 2014 08:53 pm (UTC)
No, but that is 100% goddamn on point.
Monday, April 14th, 2014 11:59 am (UTC)
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I'm really enjoying all these articles and meta about the MCU's approach vs. the approach most DC movies have taken and I'm loving it because it cements thing I've been feeling for a long time. LOVE the third article you linked here. I also really liked that meta about the male power fantasy behind the "conservative asshole dude hero who gets shit done" approach to Steve and sort of deconstructed the reasons why certain groups of people are less comfortable with that than others. I also appreciated that they called out those "My world view is more mature than your world view" arguments as pointless and not helpful. (Sidenote: I reblogged it from you, but for some reason LJ is breaking whenever I try to link it. It's eaten two of my comments so far so I CAN'T LINK BUT HOPEFULLY YOU KNOW WHICH ONE I'M TALKING ABOUT).

I also kind of feel like it's safe to say that the MCU has done much, much more to reach out to their female audience, whereas DC is actually trying to blame the failure of Superman Returns on the idea that it tried to appeal to women.
Sunday, June 8th, 2014 02:17 am (UTC)
LOVE the third article you linked here. I also really liked that meta about the male power fantasy behind the "conservative asshole dude hero who gets shit done" approach to Steve and sort of deconstructed the reasons why certain groups of people are less comfortable with that than others.

Agreed! And I felt like it was, honestly, very balanced? It was like, 'this is why white straight guys love this... but white straight guys, stop pretending this is objectively THE TRUE WAY STORIES SHOULD GO.'

I also kind of feel like it's safe to say that the MCU has done much, much more to reach out to their female audience, whereas DC is actually trying to blame the failure of Superman Returns on the idea that it tried to appeal to women.

*groans* DC, your problem is that you just don't make good movies, okay? Get Gail Simone and Greg Rucka to write your script, and then come talk to me, okay?
Wednesday, April 16th, 2014 05:29 am (UTC)
I feel the definitive scene in the MCU is the schwarma scene. Would Batman or Superman relax and get some fast food after saving the day? Maybe take-out to eat in isolation, at best, but otherwise nope.

also randomly I thought of something on the discussion of if Steve would consider himself a republican or democrat. What if when first asked the question he goes "Well, small government is --" *is told what the party lines lean toward these days* "Never mind. Democrat."
Thursday, April 17th, 2014 07:02 am (UTC)
I feel the definitive scene in the MCU is the schwarma scene. Would Batman or Superman relax and get some fast food after saving the day? Maybe take-out to eat in isolation, at best, but otherwise nope.

Honestly, it depends on the version of Superman. But certainly not one I've ever seen in theaters. And that schwarma scene remains my FAV stinger ever.

also randomly I thought of something on the discussion of if Steve would consider himself a republican or democrat. What if when first asked the question he goes "Well, small government is --" *is told what the party lines lean toward these days* "Never mind. Democrat."

Honestly, I think Steve skews as much more liberal than your average democratic politician.

Steve Rogers: ALWAYS ON YOUR LEFT.
Thursday, April 17th, 2014 04:50 pm (UTC)
I pointed out to a friend elsewhere that Tony manages to brood less than Batman despite going through trauma greater than him AND (realistically) dealing with PTSD. "Man, I'm dealing with a lot of enemies who might harm my girlfriend. I'd better keep her close and try to keep her up to speed because she's capable and keeps me sane. Er."

ooh, right, thinking about it I loved the Lois and Clark version of Superman as a kid, at least in part because it viewed his day job as something other than an obstacle between him and saving the day, and Lois as pretty awesome in her own right.

. . . honestly I think Steve skews so far liberal it's only his citizenship that disqualifies him from being a Canadian politician.
Sunday, April 20th, 2014 06:16 am (UTC)
I pointed out to a friend elsewhere that Tony manages to brood less than Batman despite going through trauma greater than him AND (realistically) dealing with PTSD. "Man, I'm dealing with a lot of enemies who might harm my girlfriend. I'd better keep her close and try to keep her up to speed because she's capable and keeps me sane. Er."

I'm just gonna quote this great review right here... (http://redbrunja.tumblr.com/post/82499762223/honestly-its-quite-astonishing-how-much-misery)

ooh, right, thinking about it I loved the Lois and Clark version of Superman as a kid, at least in part because it viewed his day job as something other than an obstacle between him and saving the day, and Lois as pretty awesome in her own right.

Yeah, Lois and Clark was pretty pivotal to how I see Superman and Lois Lane.

. . . honestly I think Steve skews so far liberal it's only his citizenship that disqualifies him from being a Canadian politician.

You already have Wolverine!
Edited 2014-04-20 06:24 am (UTC)
Sunday, April 20th, 2014 08:06 pm (UTC)
Also I feel that it's just a given that, despite how they "pretended" Pepper didn't know about the Avengers initiative, Coulson granted her a higher clearance level than Tony around the end of the first movie.

I loved that show because it made the ship Lois/Clark instead of Lois/Superman, 'cause the thing is Superman is who you rely on if your car is going off a cliff, but Clark is the guy you rely on if you're up late getting an article in before the deadline and someone needs to go for a coffee run.

. . . we have Captain Canuck (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Captain_Canuck). All I'm saying is that, the Conservative party aside, our politics is pretty much entirely skewed to the far, far left. Better frame of reference for Steve's views than trying to compare him to Democrats.
Monday, April 21st, 2014 11:37 am (UTC)
. . . we have Captain Canuck. All I'm saying is that, the Conservative party aside, our politics is pretty much entirely skewed to the far, far left. Better frame of reference for Steve's views than trying to compare him to Democrats.

Didn't Nathan Fillian dress up as him one Halloween?
Saturday, April 26th, 2014 01:36 am (UTC)
Yep. My point being more, Canada isn't really filled with superheroes who make for riveting cinema.