Oh, no, I enjoy those sorts of conversations greatly as well. There's nothing wrong with them, and they're not of less value or anything. What I meant by 'meaningful discussion' is a conversation with actual back-and-forth arguments, with room for persuasion, much like what we're doing right now. Once both sides have stated their interpretations, there...really isn't anywhere for a conversation to go except to describe them in more detail or move on to describe other interpretations you have. You can't really have debate over it.

Well, not without winding up on fandom_wank, anyways.