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Okay, enderxenocide arrives tomorrow, and as I wanted to be caught up so we could chat, I mainlined the end of naruto, all 100+ chapters of it.

Gai carrying Kakashi back to Konoha was adorable, as was Lee wanting Neji to get on his back. I was lol-ing out of my chair.

Also, can someone explain whey Naruto thought that Shino had a weird speech pattern? Is that something that really didn't come across in my translation?

Also, Sasuke: jerk. First he's all petulant and bitchy to Sai (who had a nice, subtle verbal smack down) and then he's... even more of an ass to Naruto.

When Sakura saw Sasuke for the first time... wow she's pretty. I can't believe Sasuke left a girl like her behind.

Also, Yamato getting in Sakura's way when she tried to take down Sasuke: FUCK YOU, POTATO HEAD.

"You know... crying isn't going to bring Sasuke back. I'm here, too! We'll grow stronger together!"

Awww, Sakura. I love that shot of her crying in the forground and Naruto crying in the background.

Oh, man, Sakura beating both Naruto and Sai up after Sai calls her 'ugly dog'? *dies* And her avoiding telling Kakashi about it? *snort*

Yaguita is awesome. I wonder how long until she bites it?

Asuma coming to Kakashi for romantic advice (I presume?) win.

And nice repeat of the 'I want to know now.'

...Not even one chapter and Yaguita is down for the count! Wow, is anyone else so surprised?

...Woah, wait, Asuma is related to the third Hokage? Than is that kid who worships Naruto his?

Damn it Kakashi, don't stop explaining jutsus just when you get to the part I want to know about medical ninjitsuses and genjutsus! Geez!

And now, another excutatingly long training sequence that could have been done in three panels.

Damn it, Kisishimoto, I'm not a tight scheduel here.

Kakashi: "Don't worry. I have a way with words, so I'll get you in the mood no problem."

Can anyone else say out of context theatre? And even in-context, my head went to such a dirty place.

... and what does kouhai mean and why does Kakashi normally not respect them?

NO! NO REVIEW! JUST GET TO THE FRACKING POINT! NO MORE FOREPLAY, KAKASHI!

Okay, those guys who kill Asuma? Totally bad ass. I love it.

On Asuma's death: WAAAAAAAIIIIIIIIIILLLLLLLL!!!

Oh, god, seeing team 10 become formed, and the earrings as a congradulatory gift? *wibble* I love Shikamaru picking up his sensei's smokes - that's a lovely touch. It's always nice when he seems to have a soul.

Dear Naruto and Kakashi: Yes, I got the reasoning behind the clones and the looking both left and right four pages ago! There is NO need to explain.

NOOOO, Yamato! No more diagrams!!! Noo!!!

Okay, when Kakashi's clothes get ripped away from that attack? Awesomecakes. I love the shot of his gloves dissolving.

So Ino's now in Sakura's role: doing nothing.

Everything with Shikamaru and his sensei and that fight was awesome. Except Ino not doing anything. That sucked.

HA! Go cockblocking Sai! And I'm actually thinking Sakura/Naruto wouldn't be entirely terrible at this point. She's certainly treating him sweet.

...and then Kakashi continues the cockblocking. It's like both my pairings are working in harmony!

"Before us, the greatest genius in the world comes off as average."

Whatever, Sasuke. Don't let you head explode under the pressure of your ego.

Surprising no one, Sakura is a slash fan. Don't worry, cherry blossom, we still love you any way.

Karin: adore her character design, but seriously, Sasuke - this is the girl you ditch Sakura for? So far she seems like cherry blossom redux, only without any of the cool punching people and never giving up.

I hate that stupid bow Sasuke is wearing. What is wrong with a nice simple scabbard to sheath your phallic compensation?

Okay, was Kimimaro the guy under the sheet or the guy who Orchimaru jumped into, and if so, how does that count as dying for Sasuke's sake? I mean, sure it meant that Sasuke didn't have to die, but Sasuke was too far away for the transfer to work anyway. *nitpicks*

I love the members of the Capture Itachi team.

Watching Karin and Sakura walk past each other was heartbreaking, and I'm not totally sure why. I think because Sakura was both so close to her goal and so far away.

To repeat a comment I said the enderxenocide, I love how both Sakura and Naruto are in exactly that same emotional place with Sasuke: sure, they're both insanely obsessed with him, but on Sakura's part, I really get the feeling that that... romantic emotions involved have faded away. And there are times when she's with Naruto and seeing how focused on Sasuke that you get the feeling she... has more perspective on this whole situation than anyone else.

God, Sasuke is ugly at curse level two.

Am confused abut new Ataksuki members: the girl, guy, and the masked on who seems to also have a Sharigan.

"Because he's like a brother to me... and I'm a better brother than you ever were!"

Fair point, Naruto, but it would actually be hard to be a worse brother.

I am so surprised that Tsunade doesn't punch Jiraya with all the remarks he's making about her boobs, even if he's being sweet in his pervert way.

And he's so in love with her it's... wonderfully sweet. I mean, talk about being crazy about someone when you're bitter that you won't get as many tears as her dead lover.

Ooooh, so Jiraya's student's turned evil? I bet Kakashi is glad to know he's isn't the only one who fucks up in that regard.

Oh, *wibble* tragic backstory.

I like how the 4th tried to foist the kids off on Tsunade, and she was like, 'hell with that!' and Jiraya got them.

Blah, blah, fighy, fight.

You have to come back now, Jiraiya! Tsunade is TOTALLY going to throw you a bone if you do!

Oh my god Jiraiya! With... the traveling, and the book writing and the stubborness and.... the 4th named his son after your main character! *wibbles*

AAAAAAAUUUUUUUUUGGGGGGGGHHHHH!

YOU CAN'T KILL HIM NOW THAT I'VE JUST STARTED LIKING HIM AND TOTALLY SHIPPING HIM WITH THE HOKAGE!

Sasuke versus Itachi?

I can see why this fight took 385 chapters.

And I'm liking Itachi just because he's such a bastard.

...okay, boys, now one of you just die. Any one, I'm not particular. This fight feels like it's been going on since the last ice age, and I'm fucking sick of the annoying tree-narrator.

....I'm sure the ending of the fight would have been dramatic and shocking had I note had it described to me in blow-by-blow detail.

Sasuke's language has so gone into the gutter.

Oh, sweet god, this retcon is horrific. I mean, I can buy caring about Sasuke, but this? No, sweetie, no.

There is something called 'middle ground' between 'emotionally, cruel, sadistic killer' and 'loving, jesus-like savoir'.

Tobi, you dick, you wanted to start endless war again because you weren't top dog anymore. No shit, your followed decided to betray you. You get zero sympathy from me.

"The trauma made him a peaceful man who hated conflict."

Oh my fucking god you expect me to believe that?

Killed. His. Whole. Clan. I don't care about his reason, you do that, there is something seriously fucked in you, and I refuse to believe that a massacre was the only way to protect Konoha.

"He was unable to kill his own brother."

Now that I can believe. But this whole Itachi-killer-jesus thing is bollocks.

Oh, Sasuke. Bad move. Bad, bad move. You're dancing like a fucking puppet.

No, Naruto, don't make Iruka sad! You only have so many father figures!

Oh, Tsunade, you poor girl. God, can you imagine what it must be like to be the last one alive?

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I love Shikamaru picking up his sensei's smokes - that's a lovely touch. It's always nice when he seems to have a soul.

I thought that was horrific. I stared at the manga on the computer screen going, "WHAT. THE. FUCK. What kind of message is THAT to give kids?" It's irresponsible to the Nth degree as a writer of books read by teens and children, and it's also making Shikamaru look like an idiot. I can't see why the genius of Konoha who is only barely second to Kakashi (maybe eventually smarter) would voluntarily hook himself to a lifelong addiction that would probably inhibit his ability to be a ninja, especially since he'd be starting at FIFTEEN. Which means life-long lung damage. But, hey, it's not the mangaka's ever done anything pointlessly ridiculous before, right?

But this whole Itachi-killer-jesus thing is bollocks.

LAME-O LAME LAME. I'm glad I'm not the only one having that reaction. I like the conspiracy aspect of all of this, and the clan in-fighting and the spying, but I don't see how we're supposed to translate that mass murder into some kind of angelic sacrifice. Even if he was not so bad before he did it... after he did, there was no going back. Whatever good he had, is gone.

I mean, I think even someone like Kakashi, who I like to believe is a stone-cold killer who'd do anything for the village (like the Sannin, like most of the jounin, like possibly Sakura one day)...even someone like Kakashi would defect before killing his own entire family. He'd take them away or something. Because if they are all raised to defend the village, then killing your entire extended clan is the total opposite of what you're meant to be defending. I think most people would see the irrationality of it, the paradox of it.

I thought that was horrific. I stared at the manga on the computer screen going, "WHAT. THE. FUCK. What kind of message is THAT to give kids?" It's irresponsible to the Nth degree as a writer of books read by teens and children, and it's also making Shikamaru look like an idiot. I can't see why the genius of Konoha who is only barely second to Kakashi (maybe eventually smarter) would voluntarily hook himself to a lifelong addiction that would probably inhibit his ability to be a ninja, especially since he'd be starting at FIFTEEN. Which means life-long lung damage. But, hey, it's not the mangaka's ever done anything pointlessly ridiculous before, right?

*almost falls off the couch laughing* Oh, god, I completely missed that! You're right of course, but.. oh, god, for some reason that strikes me as hilarious. And now I want to write Temari totally kicking his ass for it.

LAME-O LAME LAME. I'm glad I'm not the only one having that reaction. I like the conspiracy aspect of all of this, and the clan in-fighting and the spying, but I don't see how we're supposed to translate that mass murder into some kind of angelic sacrifice. Even if he was not so bad before he did it... after he did, there was no going back. Whatever good he had, is gone.

Yeah. I don't hate it as much as I did on first reading, but I don't trust the mangaka to make Mandara the FUCKING BLANTANTLY biased narrator he actually is.

I mean, I think even someone like Kakashi, who I like to believe is a stone-cold killer who'd do anything for the village (like the Sannin, like most of the jounin, like possibly Sakura one day)...even someone like Kakashi would defect before killing his own entire family. He'd take them away or something. Because if they are all raised to defend the village, then killing your entire extended clan is the total opposite of what you're meant to be defending. I think most people would see the irrationality of it, the paradox of it.

WORD. I totally agree about Kakashi, and I think while you could argue, that he, post-dad's suicide, would kill his family on orders... he didn't have any than. I think by the time you get to the point that you'd do it, you already don't have any precious people left? And for a show that's so focused on family, both of the blood and the spiritual kind, there is NO WAY that the mangaka can make mass-murder of family members fit into his world as a good thing. It totally doesn't work with the whole paradigm of the show.

I think while you could argue, that he, post-dad's suicide, would kill his family on orders... he didn't have any than. I think by the time you get to the point that you'd do it, you already don't have any precious people left?

I can see that. Which makes me wonder how Itachi could stomach it when he had a few dozen relatives (I am assuming at least 30 were killed, though I don't know if we got a number.)

I think the window of Kakashi being capable of it is slim-- after Obito's death, I don't think he'd do it. We know that had an enormous effect on Kakashi. And the Kakashi of now? He'd take his precious people and defect before he'd kill dozens of friends and family on the council's orders. Kakashi already has said that rules are garbage if you don't have your teammate's back.

Not to mention anyone would know that taking several dozen people and many powerful ninjas and defecting is a lot stronger than defecting with one or two. That's something you can start over with, and it makes you almost too threatening to bother chasing. The village, after such a loss, wouldn't be willing to waste any more high-class ninja trying to bring them back or stop them from leaving. They'd have to let them go.

I think the window of Kakashi being capable of it is slim-- after Obito's death, I don't think he'd do it. We know that had an enormous effect on Kakashi. And the Kakashi of now? He'd take his precious people and defect before he'd kill dozens of friends and family on the council's orders. Kakashi already has said that rules are garbage if you don't have your teammate's back.

Oh, very narrow. It's between dad's suicide and Obito's death. At this point, Kakashi is the LAST PERSON IMAGINABLE who would do something like that. In fact, at this point, (let me use a Buffy metaphor) if he was in Buffy's shoes at the finale of season two, I am on the fence about wether he could kill his precious person to save the world.

Not to mention anyone would know that taking several dozen people and many powerful ninjas and defecting is a lot stronger than defecting with one or two. That's something you can start over with, and it makes you almost too threatening to bother chasing. The village, after such a loss, wouldn't be willing to waste any more high-class ninja trying to bring them back or stop them from leaving. They'd have to let them go.

Yes! If Orochimaru can start a village, why can't the Uchiha?

One person? That's tricky. I'd say it would really have to depend on what would happen if he didn't. If it were Naruto or Sakura, his students, or someone he's in love with, or someone he's close to (Gai?)... I can see him doing it and then possibly killing himself. Probably killing himself. I do think he'd kill any person if there was no other choice. But in a situation like Itachi had, there are multiple other choices. And Kakashi (like most people who aren't psychopathic) would do a cost-effect analysis and find an alternative. Not a happy alternative, not one without its own price, but he would be wise enough to see past the person giving him orders and understand the big picture and his place in it.

I guess the mangaka thinks its more romantic and tragic for Itachi to go through with this Terrible Thing... sure, but that doesn't make me feel sorry for Itachi. He's not the victim here, not by any stretch. There were alternatives, he just chose not to take them.

*nods*

Yeah, in that situation, I can see him killing his precious person - but I do agree that he'd kill himself after, or do his level best too. (I always see him as the kind of person who'd commit suicide via over work - just take harder and harder and harder missions alone until he finally wore himself down enough to slip and not make it back alive.)

I guess the mangaka thinks its more romantic and tragic for Itachi to go through with this Terrible Thing... sure, but that doesn't make me feel sorry for Itachi. He's not the victim here, not by any stretch. There were alternatives, he just chose not to take them.

Oh, I don't feel sorry for Itachi in the least. I'm like like, Itachi: so looking for that excuse.

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