redbrunja: (Waterbending Master (Katara))
redbrunja ([personal profile] redbrunja) wrote2008-07-20 01:31 am
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Drive Until You Lose The Road

Okay, let's make this quick and dirty:

The bad:

I knew they were going to do the shipping that they did, but I still didn't like it. I don't think any of those problems that Mai/Zuko and Katara/Aang have were resolved, so it felt really, really fake to me. Especially the Kataang post-EIP. In Avatar, relationships usually feel so pasted on.

Aang. God, he was fucking annoying. I loved the resolution for the Fire Lord, but I hated that it took Aang three episodes of desperately trying to find someone to give him the answer he wanted while he whined about it to get there.

Forgoing finding out what happed to Zuko's mother so we could see Katara and Aang suck face.

The good:

Everything with Zuko. God, he is so much more interesting than Aang. I loved his fight with Azula, and how Katara dealt with her. The music was heartbreaking.

Fantastic season 2 finale homage. As my mother says upon seeing Zuko in Katara's arms: "Now what are they going to be about Mai?" (meaning, since Katara and Zuko are clearly meant for each other, and mama red loves Mai.)

Speaking of Azula, my heart was breaking. Seriously, Mai and Ty Lee betraying her totally fucked her up. I loved how she was shoving people away in an effort to get control, and just losing it more and more.

I was thrilled that Katara was the one to defeat Azula - I was afraid that Katara wouldn't get much to do in the finale.

Toph and Sokka and Suki (and especially that scene with Toph hanging from Sokka's fingers) was fantastic.

I adored Ty Lee going off with the Kyoshi warriors. That was just perfect.

[identity profile] fairest1.livejournal.com 2008-07-20 04:30 pm (UTC)(link)
Oh, man . . . I started out as a Kataang shipper, but this? This leads to so very much awesome Zutara. He took lightning for her!

Also, the fucked up thing about Aang not wanting to take a life? When he crashed the airship that Ozai had been on, he probably killed at least a few crewmembers. Perfectly innocent guys who were doing their job. And he couldn't deliver the killing blow to the jackass who tried to melt an entire nation into slag.

The bit with Ty Lee was perfect.

HE TOOK LIGHTNING FOR HER.
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[identity profile] fairest1.livejournal.com 2008-07-20 06:11 pm (UTC)(link)
Yeah . . . I forgot about that. A bit of airbending, he could have kept them in the hive until everyone got a safe distance away.

Katara never really needed revenge. She needed closure. She needed the chance to look the bastard in the eye and make the decision for herself which path to take. And Zuko understood that.

[identity profile] redbrunja.livejournal.com 2008-07-21 06:11 am (UTC)(link)
HE TOOK LIGHTNING FOR HER.

Rallying cry of Zutara. I know so many shippers o have switched allegiances based on the last couple of episodes, which should tell you something right there.

And I find Aang such a problematic hero, I can't even tell you. Mainly in that I don't think he's heroic, really.

[identity profile] fairest1.livejournal.com 2008-07-21 01:24 pm (UTC)(link)
And we've seen this quite a few times now -- Zuko considers Katara the best one to have at his back in a fight. Even in the training exercise, he picked her to go with him. Their fight scenes (against each other and together) have enough passion that it easily translates into something else.

Zuko . . . with everything he's been through, the girl for him is a) One he trusts to watch his back and b) One he knows is powerful enough to defend it.

That's Katara. I've got nothing against Mai, but Katara is Katara.

[identity profile] redbrunja.livejournal.com 2008-07-21 04:35 pm (UTC)(link)
*nods*

The fact that they work so well together, and Zuko in particular knows it... just says so much.

And my problem with Mai and Zuko is that when we see them actually in a relationship, they made each other worse, not better, plus we never got to see if Mai actually changed her opinions about the war - last we heard, she was firmly on the 'fire nation is the greatest, you're a traitor Zuko.'

[identity profile] fairest1.livejournal.com 2008-07-21 05:39 pm (UTC)(link)
Yeah . . . she's never actually left the Fire Nation; unlike Zuko, she's never actually seen the world, seen what it's like out there, seen what her country is doing. I can see how she'd feel that way -- being raised in the ruling class, weaned on propaganda when even her grandparents wouldn't remember a time when the Fire Nation was on its way to becoming the greatest -- the only -- nation on earth. Understandable, sympathetic in a way, but not someone who's really best for the position of power she'd have as the Fire Lord's wife. She wouldn't consider him a traitor now -- he's clearly working for the best interests of the people -- but I feel there'd still be a part of her that believed the basics of the propaganda.

Katara, he can trust with his life. He can trust her to do the right thing, even if her emotions are elsewhere. Your icon? She grabbed him and pulled him to safety even when she still pretty much hated him. And now . . . she'll even pull him into the group hugs.

[identity profile] wolfhowlers.livejournal.com 2008-07-22 10:19 pm (UTC)(link)
THANK YOU. THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU.

I know this probably comes off weird and random, but I would like to add on to your comment:

can you honestly imagine pairing yourself to someone who, despite your numerous attempts at impressing that person, doesn't even show a hint of appreciation or interest?

That's pretty much Maiko in a nutshell.

[identity profile] redbrunja.livejournal.com 2008-07-25 06:40 am (UTC)(link)
She wouldn't consider him a traitor now -- he's clearly working for the best interests of the people -- but I feel there'd still be a part of her that believed the basics of the propaganda.

Yes. And I can't help but feel that that will get the Fire Nation into a lot of trouble in the future.

[identity profile] fairest1.livejournal.com 2008-07-25 05:43 pm (UTC)(link)
Well, that depends on how much power she has as Zuko's . . . well, just girlfriend for now. The wife of the Fire Lord, certainly, but just dating him, she wouldn't be able to do more than, perhaps, order some servants around. I think the issues would affect the relationship before they could affect the Fire Nation.

[identity profile] redbrunja.livejournal.com 2008-07-28 04:34 am (UTC)(link)
Well, we hope. ^_^
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[identity profile] redbrunja.livejournal.com 2008-07-23 06:11 am (UTC)(link)
I love hearing that.
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[identity profile] rashaka.livejournal.com 2008-07-23 10:30 am (UTC)(link)
Aang's already been responsible for lots of deaths. He only capsized a whole naval FLEET in freezing arctic waters. And then in DOBS when he cut several air ships out of the sky.

I guess he was just angsting over the willful intent of murder as opposed to blowing up an airship or tank with people inside it that you can't see, and thus don't look in the face when you kill them.

What's odd about the way Aang's was written is that Kyoshi herself said that there wasn't any real difference in war between causing death and murder, not when you're the all-powerful Avatar.

[identity profile] fairest1.livejournal.com 2008-07-24 12:15 am (UTC)(link)
And she said it was okay to do so, a necessary thing, controlling the nastier types to keep from disrupting the balance of the world.

And Aang did accept that he'd kill Ozai for about ten seconds, before he got the lionturtle loophole. But . . . he was still dodging too much in the fight. Wouldn't the better move to be to overwhelm him, stop him before he built up steam, so to speak, pinned him, and cut off his bending then? Instead of the extended "I'm not running away, no really" fight scene.
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[identity profile] rashaka.livejournal.com 2008-07-24 12:21 am (UTC)(link)
I keep changing my mind about this, depending on whose analysis I read.

I'm also kind of feeling like "He's just a kid!" and really, that's enough for me. I can forgive him a LOT because of that. Though that's not exactly a popular "reason" for the people who do OR who don't like Aang.

[identity profile] fairest1.livejournal.com 2008-07-24 12:33 am (UTC)(link)
I know what you mean.

And . . . he may be twelve, but he's not a kid anymore. Not really. None of them are. That's what war does to people, it ages them before their time.

Not to mention that he's a powerful bender in his own right, could take in the power of the comet like Ozai was, and has managed more in prior fights.

Like it or not, he's got a huge responsibility, and he can't just run off and go penguin sledding. I don't hate Aang, but I just can't help seeing the blood on his hands while he's saying he won't kill. I accept the blood, know it's there for a damn good reason, but it gets frustrating sometimes.

Also, regarding Katara feeling confused back in Ember Island Players -- she's fourteen. No one feels certain about love when they're fourteen. It's a floaty kind of crush or quiet friendship, but no dead certainty like Aang seemed to be expecting. Not to mention, no one feels certain about the love they had when they were fourteen, ten years down the road. . .
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[identity profile] rashaka.livejournal.com 2008-07-24 12:45 am (UTC)(link)
but he's not a kid anymore. Not really. None of them are. That's what war does to people, it ages them before their time.

No, but he IS still a kid. Shit can happen to you when you're a child, and you may lose some some of your innocence, but that doesn't magically make you any older, it doesn't give you any higher ability to reason out complex ideas, differentiate between fiction and reality, or make mature decisions. Zuko, Sokka... they're 15-16-17, not kids anymore. Katara? Edging very very close at 14-15. 12-13 is still a world away from 16-17, and he *is* a child. He still thinks, behaves, and reasons like a kid.

In DOBS, Zuko himself said that starting an Agni Kai with a thirteen year old boy was "cruel and wrong", and that he was picking a duel with "a child."

And that is EXACTLY what the final battle was: Ozai dueling a thirteen year old child.

And the thing with kids is... where do you draw the line of responsibility? Yes, he accepted responsibility of being Avatar. As best as he could. Yes, he tried, and yes, he succeeded, but none of that makes him an adult. And ultimately, I don't even know if "accepting" responsibility really means to a 13 year old what it means to a 17 year old.

And if he hadn't succeeded, I don't think I would have, seriously and honestly, held it against him. Because he's not a grown up, but he is fighting a grown up fight. It's not a mistake that with the exception of Toph, every single ally is older than him.

[identity profile] redbrunja.livejournal.com 2008-07-24 01:00 am (UTC)(link)
Wouldn't the better move to be to overwhelm him, stop him before he built up steam, so to speak, pinned him, and cut off his bending then? Instead of the extended "I'm not running away, no really" fight scene.

YES! So much of the problems with the episode are because of HOW they did it, not because o WHAT they did.