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Let's Try The Multi-Fandom Version Of This Meme (In which I bring the snark)

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Six ships you're into right now
1. Kakashi/Sakura
2. Katara/Zuko
3. Maka/Soul
4. Brennan/Booth
5. Barney/Robin
6. Sai/Sakura

Three ships you liked, but don’t like anymore
7. Hakkai/Yaone
8. Jack/Angela
9. Chuck/Ned

Four ships you never liked
10. Charlie Crewes/his ex-wife (I REFUSE TO EVEN GIVE YOU A NAME.)
11. Sakura/Sasuke
12. Katara/Aang
13. Olive/Ned

Two ships you're curious about, but don’t actually ship
14. Sakura/Naruto
15. Reese/Tidwell

Why do you dislike #11 (Sakura/Sasuke) so much?

Sasuke is an arrogant dick and Sakura never calls him on being an arrogant dick.

That said, stop acting like Sakura didn't really love him or saying (when she's in love with your character of choice) that this love is so real and different than what she felt for Sasuke.

She was ready to leave Konoha for him. She has shown her willingness to die for him on multiple occasions. She's said she loves him.

If it walks like a duck and talks like a duck maybe you should do Sakura the courtesy of respecting the fact that she knows her own heart better than you do. And no, this does not mean that she can't grow out of love or love someone again or end up hating Sasuke. Just stop acting like her relationship with Sasuke wasn't real. It was. It just wasn't reciprocated. (Although I think if Sasuke could love anyone romantically, it would be her. I think he's to damaged and too willingly self-destructive to every love anyone like Sakura can and does.)

Who is someone you know that ships #14 (Sakura/Naruto)?

Umm, I know the_sun_is_up and feiyln ship the OT3 version of that pairing... I'm not sure who on my flist likes it straight up.

What would be your ideal scenario for couple #3 (Maka/Soul)?

Incredibly badass fight where Maka pwn followed by epic make out session that ends when Death Scythe shows up and loses his goddamned mind.

Which is your favorite moment for couple #1 (Kakashi/Sakura)?

When Kakashi is watching her at the Chuunin exam and talking about her perfect chakra control and how she has the same unwillingness to quit that Naruto does, oh, about fifty chapters before Tsunade even shows her face in the manga.

How long have you been following couple #6 (Sai/Sakura)?

Since, oh, about this exact moment.

What's the story with #8? What made you stop liking them/caring (Jack/Angela)?

The writers broke them up for a stupid reason in a stupid way, fucked with Angela's characterization, and made me dislike my formally favorite character and decide that she doesn't deserves someone who is, arguably, the perfect man.

You have the power to make one ship non existent. Choose from #10 (Charlie Crewes/his ex-wife) or #12 (Katara/Aang).

Katara/Aang. I trust that the writers realize what a trainwreck Charlie's (adulterous) relationship with his-wife is, which means it automatically loses when stacked against Katara/Aang's I-saved-the-world-and-won-a-girl, writes *pat themselves on the back* travesty.

Which ship do you prefer #2 (Katara/Zuko) or #4 (Brennan/Booth)?

*wails* Oh, gods, I don't know. I love a lot of the same things about them, they had the same relationship arc (simply on a different timeline), oh, this is a bitchy choice. I think I have to go with Katara/Zuko, simply because I was much more passionate about Avatar as a whole than I ever was about Bones, and for a long time, my majory shipping in Bones was Jack/Angela.

What interests you about #15 (Reese/Tidwell)?

The epically hot scenes they have together. What bugs me is that it's the second less-attractive-older-man-nailing-a-woman-who-could-be-a-supermodel pairing in that show, which sets off a lot of my 'sexist writing occurring' alarms.

Why did you stop liking #7 (Hakkai/Yaone)?

Saiyuki kinda stopped being released, Yaone hasn't shown up in forever, my het Saiyuki friends started getting lost in their real lives and world of warcraft, I met Tsubaki would is Yaone written well....

Did your waning interest in #9 (Chuck/Ned) kill your interest in the show?

Sort of? I kinda just don't care about them, and the whimsy can only carry so much.

What’s a song that reminds you of #5 (Barney/Robin)?

"Sandcastles In The Sand" by Robin Sparkles.

Or realistically, how about "Pretty When You Cry" by VAST.

"i didn't want to fuck you
but you're pretty when you're mine
i didn't really love you baby
i didn't really love you
i didn't really love you
but i'm pretty when i lie
you hurt me baby
i hurt you baby
if you knew how much i love you
you would run away
but when i treat you bad
it always makes you want to stay "

If you could have any of these two pairings double-date, who would it be?

Kakashi/Sakura and Katara/Zuko, because the OTP would make me burst into flame.

Have #2 (Katara/Zuko) kissed yet?

I wish.

Did #4 (Brennan/Booth) have a happy ending?

Not yes, but all my canon senses for a HEA are tingling.

What would make you start shipping #14 (Sakura/Naruto)?

If Kishimoto started stressing Sakura/Naruto BFFs. (And he's sorta kinda doing that now.) Because that would be awesome and nicely prevent Sasuke from getting anywhere near Sakura's panties. Plus, it's not like any other relationship I want Sakura to be in would ever happen.

If only one could happen, which would you prefer, #2 (Katara/Zuko) or #6 (Sai/Sakura)?

Katara/Zuko, no question. First, you knock off two of my least favorite Avatar pairings, they'd be awesome together, it would have been awesome storytelling, and I think I'm going to be okay with the romance Sakura gets in canon (famous last words, right?)

You have the power to decide the fate of #10 (Charlies/ex-wife). What happens to them?

Dani gives the ex an epic verbal smack-down (and lord knows she has the skills to do it) and Charlie realizes that he's better off without her.

Which do you dislike the most?

Katara/Aang. I knew it was going to happen and was merely hoping for some UST scenes with Zuko and Katara (which we got in spades) and then the show made me loath Aang and loath the relationship between him and Katara. For fuck's sake, write your OTP with some goddamned dignity.

Which of these ships do you love the most?

Well, right now, Kakashi/Sakura is giving me an insane amount of pleasure, and Naruto fandom is way more enjoyable to be in than Avatar's.

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Sakura/Naruto is growing on me a lot, actually -- especially after that last chapter. I just keep thinking about what a kick-ass team those two could be, if they developed a perfectly strong, mutual love and learned how to mix their talents in a useful way.

I mean, between his no-holds-barred senseless fighting and her more sensible, methodical approach, their strength and their steadfastness? They have all the makings of a great potential Hokage duo.

Agreed.

What I especially like about Naruto/Sakura is that with him, Sakura is totally not afraid to be strong, and Naruto expects it of her.

Hee- makes me think of similarities to the Jiraiya/Tsunade relationship :DD

I am so snagging your Sakura icon! (And some others from you too!XD )

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My theory about why the Kataang relationship was so poorly handled is as follows:

1. It was a plot point planned by Bryke from the very beginning, as they have stated. However, as can be seen quite clearly by anyone watching Avatar, the show changed quite drastically, but they did not change this aspect, possibly among others, to fit the scheme of things.
2. There were a lot of problems with the finale, and this ended up severely rushed. This is probably much less of a contributor than the first one, and has more to do with why we never got to see Zuko finding Ursa, but I think it still has something to do with it. I mean..."I need time," and then they hardly interact until the very end, and then, kiss! What? What??

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Yeah, I think that in order to let a story improve, you need to let it grow, which means that if something fits better with the rest of the story that has grown, it needs to not remain stagnant, if my language makes sense. Now, I'm not saying that Kataang itself couldn't have worked, but if they wanted it to work, they should have allowed it to develop naturally instead of feeling like Aang was being rewarded for saving the world.

It also irritates me that the fact that Ozai still has a great deal of political power and his power did not entirely originate from him being able to shoot vast amounts of fire, but rather from charisma, politics, and intimidation, is never explored.

Well, season three did some things very well, mainly character arcs, and some things..not so well. For example, what was the point, exactly, of "Nightmares and Daydreams," and "Ember Island Players?" The humor, rather than feeling like a relief, feels jarring and out of place in those two episodes.

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If you still have this ending, may I see it? I'm very curious about this, and I have a friend of my own who ships Kataang who I think would be interested.

The thing about Ozai, in my opinion, is that in the first two seasons, he was a figurehead. He didn't really interact with the cast directly, save for one flashback in which we see him give Zuko his scar, and he was really used as a symbol of terror. That's fine. But once they gave him a face, they needed to give him a personality, a history, some depth, rather than keeping him at the same level and acting as if a terror we can see is as frightening as one we can't.

But once they gave him a face, they needed to give him a personality, a history, some depth, rather than keeping him at the same level and acting as if a terror we can see is as frightening as one we can't.

And this is precisely why Azula is a better villain than Ozai. We see her human sides, but she's still a nasty piece of work.

*nods*

What really killed me about the Katara/Aang relationship was the scene in EIP, which, coming on top of all the Zuko/Katara moments in the previous episode, was like, 'okay, are you aware of what you're doing?'

I think had they not brought up that plot point and then evaded answering it, or realized how lame 'there's a war on' sounds for a reason not to have a relationship, Kataang would have been what it should have been: not my pairing, but a perfectly fine way to end the series.

I mean..."I need time," and then they hardly interact until the very end, and then, kiss! What? What??

Exactly my reaction.

My Dad was pretty certain that the show was going to end in Zutara, and even explained to me once while we were gardening why that ending made most sense from a storytelling perspective. He even said, after seeing Ember Island Players "'I need time' means I need time to figure out how to give you my answer, because you aren't going to like it."

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XD

Well, he said that he thought Zuko and Katara made more sense because he was absolutely certain Zuko would be the next Fire Lord, and he thought a union between two of the nations made more sense as a beacon of hope for generations to come. He was also kind of upset that they didn't really do enough with Toph's characterization and interaction with the others. "They all become interconnected and developed, Fire, Water, and Air, but what are they saying about Earth? That Earth is just a little girl that's all alone?"

Your dad sounds like a fun guy to talk ships with! And I think he totally nailed it with a union between nations.

...Yeah, that's another thing I hated about Maiko. We're all interconnecting the nations and everyone is going to be all happy-dory now, only the Fire Lord is going to end up with a snooty Fire Nation noble, so we can has Fire x Fire. The only thing preventing the war from restarting being Zuko's friendship with the rest of the Gaang, meaning that by the time Zuko dies, Zuko's spawn (if raised by Mai) has absolutely no reason NOT to continue the war his ancestors started. HUH.

Now, say this spawn was 1/2 Water Tribe. I'd say it'd be a little more apprehensive about trying to destroy it's GRANDPARENTS home. The pure!Fire kid is like, "Whatever those were Dad's creepy friends. FIRE!"

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I remember you talking about that, and my response was 'hell yeah. How do Bryke not see this?'

I'd love nothing more than for Sakura to give Sasuke the good punch down he deserves, because she just deserves to be mad!

If she ever did, I would feel much better about that couple as a pairing.

It took away all room for Aang to grow and develop, made Katara look like a cheap prize for saving the world, and it messed up their development so badly

*nods*

Yeah, it was really mishandled. Such a shame.

But then again, even then I don't think Aang would hold a candle to Zuko in the position of Katara's lover.

Well, of course not! But that's personal preference (and sanity) talking!

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But it may be unlikely to happen. I'm not sure.

I think it's really unlikely. Zuko was such a good character because his actions where understandable and had consequences, and consequences are what Sasuke has been dodging since before he left Konoha.

*chuckles* When I was more into Naruto, I shipped Sakura/Sasuke on the explicit basis of a future where she hunts his traitor backside down and kicks some righteous sense into it. I would still ship it if we actually got a scene where Sakura wipes the floor with his smug face, and leaves him so utterly defeated by the girl he dismissed, that he has no recourse but to reconsider his life choices up till that point.

Sadly, the more I hear about where the show has gone since I stopped following it, the more I realize Kishimoto writes Sasuke with his ears stuffed full of cotton-wool, and that my odds of getting some tough-love, you-are-accountable-for-your-actions-dumbass SasuSaku are stacked worse than the last round of Jenga. *is sad*

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*nods* I used to argue that, judging from Kishimoto's persistant triumvirate imagery, there are three possible outcomes for Sasuke's arc: (1) He goes his own destructive way, ruins himself, and dies a villain (the certain death ending); (2) He gets fought to a standstill and defeated by Naruto, with a 50-50 chance of the usual Naruto Redemption By Death villain scenario (the redemption/possible death ending), or (3) He gets his sorry face mashed into the ground by Sakura and the humiliation finally pops his self-important bubble and enables him to see his faults and change them (the redemption/survival ending).

Now I have to admit there's a fourth possible ending--Kishimoto somehow works it around so that Sasuke was a hero all along and has to face down, admit, and/or change nothing (the lol Kishimoto ending). Bargh.

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Sadly, the more I hear about where the show has gone since I stopped following it, the more I realize Kishimoto writes Sasuke with his ears stuffed full of cotton-wool, and that my odds of getting some tough-love, you-are-accountable-for-your-actions-dumbass SasuSaku are stacked worse than the last round of Jenga. *is sad*

Agreed. I would LOVE it if Sasuke was ever help accountable for his actions or had realistic consequences, but everything always seems to work out just perfectly for him, even when there is no reason why it should.

It's because he's the stealth!Main Character. Just like Zuko, except with an author who likes to spoil him affectionately rotten instead of periodically torture him like a bug on a pin.

Naruto used to fascinate me for taking an archetype that would normally be the main character and making him a supporting role, and likewise making the wiseacre sidekick-type the main character. Then I realized how little difference it really made, and my interest flagged significantly. >.>

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That said, stop acting like Sakura didn't really love him or saying (when she's in love with your character of choice) that this love is so real and different than what she felt for Sasuke.

True. Dat.

Seriously, one of the things that makes Sasuke x Sakura so infuriating is that she was willing to give up damn near everything for him and he didn't even have the courtesy to take the apples she peeled for him >.> (whenever I get the urge to consider Sasuke x Sakura as a ship, that scene is always the first one that comes to mind, and I immediately shift focus)

I'm really torn on Naruto x Sakura. I prefer the BFF angle to it, but there are some scenes where it's kind of impossible to deny that there's attraction (at least on Naruto's end.) It's my preferred ship for Naruto, by any means...

*nods*

I'm actually pretty down with the idea of Naruto/Sakura becoming canon because it's clear that Naruto adores her, and they work well together, and Naruto/Sakura would mean no possibility of Sasuke/Sakura.

Sakura/Naruto is one of the few places where I ship best friends becoming more.

Katara/Aang's I-saved-the-world-and-won-a-brown-girl

...............*picks jaw up off floor*

Trying to find the proper words to use, here.

As someone who was quite delighted that Katara found Aang, initiated the hug, leaned in first for the kiss, this comment really upsets me.
I've always seen them as equals throughout the show, one or the other each having their own talents, working well together, listening to one another. Neither felt flat to me, neither felt like a prize for the other. They always seemed to me to care about the other as a person.

That was a callous dismissal of their friendship and romance, and I'm not sure what to make of it.

I'm surprised you're surprised. We've hashed out our differences on how we view the finale and the episodes leading up to it many times before, including how I felt Katara was reduced to a prize, I was clear in my subject header that I was being snarky in the following meme, and Katara/Aang is on my 'disliked' ships page.

What exactly were you expecting?

I'm used to you calling Katara a prize because of her sex, not because of her skin. It caught me off-guard, especially since Avatar Universe is based on Asia and the Americas, not Europe or Africa.

You were going for snark? It came across as just plain insulting. Sarcasm is hard to get across in text, and you're usually better at it. Sorry I missed it this time.

Wait, you think I'm being racist? No, I was poking at how voiceless she was, and how unpleasant it was to have an awesome woman of color reduced to a prize for someone who looks to me very, very white.

orepookpook came up with the phrase 'you won a brown girl' and it seemed to sum up the issue very well for me.

No I don't think you are, but you came pretty close to calling the writers racist, and it startled me.

Aaaaaaaaand I guess it's come back around to you seeing Katara reduced to voicelessness, and me seeing her speaking with her actions.

Yep, 'round and 'round and 'round we go.

I think my OT3 is making all the separate ships grow on me. mean, we all know I'm a hardcore SasuNaru shipper, but NaruSaku it like...while I don't ship it, it's at the place that comes before shipping, you know?

Gnyah. SasuSaku, it claws at my braaaaaaaaain.

I have to say, I totally fail at OT3 shipping. There is always one leg of the triangle I like better, and I always feel that one person is going to be left out.

It takes a certain group of characters for me to be able ship them OT3. For me, they have to have a close relationship already - NaruSasuSaku, SoRiKai from Kingdom Hearts. As opposed the some of my usual crack pairing ships (Rangiku/Byakuya, anyone?) where the characters haven't even met in canon.

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Could you clarify? Because in my corner of fandom there was a lot of conversations going on about Katara as a woman of color and an agent of her own fate, and how she seemed like a voiceless prize at the end.

As someone else said in another discussion, "What stings, too, is how awesome the show was about race and gender (and disability, and poverty, and the list goes on), and then how all the brown women either died, went crazy, or wound up as mute prizes for boys who didn't deserve them" which I feel sums up my feelings.

I mean, I've been saying Katara was treated as a prize since the finale I'm not totally clear on why mentioning the respective ethniticies and how that's an extra pill of bitter is so offensive.

Anyway, I don't think people got what I was intending there, so I edited it.

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I see.

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No worries. You did seem a bit intense, but I can handle it. ^_^ And it's not like I'm a paragon of zen and levelheadedness at all times, so...

Just thought you might find this amusing, since I did this meme ages ago and my #2 and #4 were the same as yours...LOL

http://nephthysmoon.livejournal.com/166193.html

Thanks!

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Well, I'm a I-will-go-down-with-the-ship person with Sasusaku but even though I want her to punch him in the face I doubt, given the nature of the manga (shonen) and the nature of the author (Kishimoto LOL) it will have a proper development or settlement

So true. And aren't most things better in the manga than in the anime? Although I am super grateful for the anime for the prettiness.

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For me, it's the pacing. A chapter of naruto that is readable in five minutes? I can handle that.

Spending TWENTY MINUTES on the same amount of plot plus filler? Can't handle it.

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What does teme even mean?

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