Bite Me, Hypocrite

[redbrunja]

I realized while rereading the latest Naruto chapter (and wow, does it really love like Pain killed Hinata, I didn't catch how much so on the first reread) that I really want Pain and Shinji to meet.

Yeah, you just TRY and one-up Shinji 'my angst destroyed the word', Nagato. 

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[hieronymousb.livejournal.com]

Well, Pain did stab her behind a rock. I noticed the rock hid whatever part he stabbed, which means one of two things -- i.e. he stabbed her in a vital spot and Kishi didn't want to show this, for whatever reason, or Pain didn't stab her in a vital spot and he just wanted to make a point. The latter seems... really, really unlikely, given Pain's tendencies, but who knows?

I mean, Hinata in that scene was acting exactly like Konan would've acted if Pain's and Naruto's roles were reversed. Unless Pain didn't notice that he just stabbed the character who most resembles his own wife, BUT HE MAY NOT HAVE, since he's clearly so all about othering. I'm just saying, the stabbity-behind-the-rock makes me wonder where he poked her. For Kishi to have pulled that trick, it's either a bad sign or a very good one.

[redbrunja.livejournal.com]

The latter seems... really, really unlikely, given Pain's tendencies, but who knows?

It does. Honestly, I really think Hinata's chances are fifty-fifty. On the one hand, killing her off means not having to deal with rocking the Naruto/Sakura boat, but on the other, Kishimoto flinches away from killing off characters like you wouldn't believe.

I mean, Hinata in that scene was acting exactly like Konan would've acted if Pain's and Naruto's roles were reversed. Unless Pain didn't notice that he just stabbed the character who most resembles his own wife, BUT HE MAY NOT HAVE, since he's clearly so all about othering.

*snerk* Oh, you're delightful. And I'm sure that thought DID NOT EVEN OCCUR to Pain. Although it would be a really, really interesting thing to play with in fic. *ponders*

[hieronymousb.livejournal.com]

I'm sure it didn't occur to him, but it's true to an outsider's perspective! It's like, oh no, Pain, I can't believe you didn't realize you just stabbed the person who is most like your own wife (well, yes, I can believe you didn't realize that; empathy loss much). Actually, I've long thought Konan would die from taking some blow for him, and now I'm just sure of it. This situation with Hinata seems like foreshadowing.

[Or maybe I'm the only one seeing this parallel in the women here, but it just SEEMS SO OBVIOUS...they are the exact same personality type of women, and while that could be Kishi's bad writing toward women, um, not all the girls are that specifically similar in quietness/loyalty?] YEAH, it's almost like the alpha male men make war and the bystanders and their loved ones suffer. If the manga were deeper, there could be some real socio-political commentary there ('course you can read that into it, regardless).

[redbrunja.livejournal.com]

No, one of the few good things Kishimoto does is that the women DO have very different personalities, and while I don't think that it's deliberate, I DO think it's interesting that both Pain and Naruto have women like that watching their backs.

YEAH, it's almost like the alpha male men make war and the bystanders and their loved ones suffer. If the manga were deeper, there could be some real socio-political commentary there ('course you can read that into it, regardless).

Isn't that most of what we do anyway?

Actually, I've long thought Konan would die from taking some blow for him, and now I'm just sure of it. This situation with Hinata seems like foreshadowing.

Deliciously ironic and crunchy forshadowing. I hope he gets a moment of epiphany and realizes exactly how much he fucked up.

[hieronymousb.livejournal.com]

Isn't that most of what we do anyway?

I BELIEVE IT IS, indeed!

Deliciously ironic and crunchy forshadowing. I hope he gets a moment of epiphany and realizes exactly how much he fucked up.

Someone asked me what I thought the best ending would be for them, and for me, that'd be it. Actually, I hope it's like, Konan takes a fatal blow, but is still alive so she can hear him apologize. THAT would the best possible outcome I could probably ever hope for, since they're going to end in death, anyway.

[redbrunja.livejournal.com]

Yeah... it kinda makes me sad how consistently villains end up dead in Naruto. And none of the good guys ever get touched.