Thursday TV Update

[redbrunja]

Watched The Vampire Diaries in real time, which was fun.

And then I watched the beginning of Supernatural. A friend and I left after the first act to chat, and I had my roommate spoil me for the end, in which Jo and Ellen die. Both of them.

Oh, just FUCK YOU Supernatural. Fuck. You.

Comments

[oceansex.livejournal.com]

I just got into Supernatural last month, and the friend that got me into it has been telling me from the start that most, if not all, women characters end up dead somehow or put on a bus because the crazy fangirls hate them. :\ Even though I've only seen about 15 episodes of the whole series, I was not at all surprised that the both of them died. Really disappointed, but not surprised.

[redbrunja.livejournal.com]

I know. Supernatural is such a mistognistic show/fandom. It really is.

[redbrunja.livejournal.com]

Yeah... granted, the pilot isn't that good (it does get better, before getting much, much worse) but still. I don't think I'd encourage anyone I know to watch that show.

[kalliel]

I don't how much sway the fandom has over the show (nor do I care to know anything about that particular fandom, as neither Wincest nor Dean/Castiel seem at all interesting), but I thought that Ellen and Jo had some really excellent scenes together. And this is coming from somehow who has absolutely no idea who they are, prior to this episode, so I didn't really have any background to go off of.

[mistaria.livejournal.com]

I didn't make it past the third episode of Supernatural and based on the fandom and things I hear about it I'm glad. :D

[redbrunja.livejournal.com]

The problem with killing off Ellen and Jo, is that no matter how epic and affecting their scenes were, or how many great moments they had in this ONE episode, there is quite literally ONLY TWO reoccuring female characters who have no ended up dead.

Which would be one thing, if you didn't have Castiel getting tapped for 19 episodes this season and Bobby lasting for multiple seasons and Supernatural's general fail-tastic gender dynamics.

[redbrunja.livejournal.com]

Be glad.

[redbrunja.livejournal.com]

Fuck.

The browser just crashed after I typed a hella long comment.

Fuck it.

Just trust me, it's fail-tastic.

[ivy-chan.livejournal.com]

Yes, another example of why I will never, never watch Supernatural. I think I am terrified to watch only one episode.

[meganbmoore.livejournal.com]

Inevitably, the attack on Jo is staged like a sexual attack, and Ellen must sacrifice herself.

Sad to believe there's a show where it's actually better for it to exist that women exist in its canon who are not evil and/or victims and/or tragically dead. Remembering means you have to fix that. Can't have people thinking a vagina is a good thing.

[meganbmoore.livejournal.com]

The first episode begins with the mother getting fridged, and ends with the girlfriend getting fridged. It's just that in the first two seasons, it pretends that it's because of genre tropes and that it actually respects women. Bits of its true ways snuck into season 2, and then season 3 was essentially wallowing in hating women. (And everyone else who wasn't a straight white man, but expecially women.)

[helicopini.livejournal.com]

The (apparently toxic as fuck) genderfail in Supernatural is what has kept me away from it. Despite the hot actors and shot-in-Vancouver X-files nostalgia and the paranormal angle that I usually eat up with a spoon.

But the misogyny is apparently so rank that I won't even bother with the show. I figure I should watch Mad Men instead and at least get some interesting commentary on misogyny-as-institutionalized culture.

I hear epic horror stories about the fandom too.

[redbrunja.livejournal.com]

It doesn't deserve them.

[redbrunja.livejournal.com]

That sums it up nicely. The corners of the fandom I hung out in during season one where pretty nice, but at this point if I see another picture of Castiel on fandom secrets, I'm going to smack a bitch.

[redbrunja.livejournal.com]

SPN is famous for bowing to it's most militent fans.

[redbrunja.livejournal.com]

Yeah... and honestly I think writers listening to their fanbase to dictate storylines is just... the whole thing seems rather fraught to me.