redbrunja | I Don't Want To Remember This

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I know! It's like, what are your motivations? Do you honestly think these unwanted children raised by young, unprepared mothers are going to do good things for the world?

I have the urge to grab the person responsible for passing this law and make them watch this awesome movie about an old lady who helps women have safe abortions when it was banned in England.

Oh, please, like that would change their minds. It'd like to trap them in the body of a pregnant sixteen year old with little to no support and see how they like it.

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I know lots of couples looking to adopt would be happy to have that baby but that option is not for everyone.

Also, there are WAY more babies than their are couples who want to take them in, and if you're a baby who is not a.)white and b.) abled, you're rather screwed.

If you can't feel a shred of sympathy for someone like her, then at least we would know who should and shouldn't be passing rules like this.

I feel that by writing this law in the first place, much less passing it, they've proved they have no sympathy.

Making miscarriages a crime won't actually affect the rate, but it will traumatize a lot of women who genuinely wanted to be mothers as every detail of their diet and behaviour for the previous six months or so is reviewed for any sign that they can be blamed for it.

Exactly. And it might even CAUSE miscarriages if the women are stressing about the possibility of getting arrested if they lose the baby.

The only way this could possibly be fair is if the father can be charged for not making every effort possible to ensure the mother is in prime gestation mode -- she can't very well rub her own feet, or go for midnight ice cream and folic acid runs in her condition, can she?

Actually, that'd be just as shitty to the supportive fathers who are just as traumatized. Hmm.

Something that is in their control: Ensuring that every hospital provides top-of-the-line prenatal care for everyone, and free delivery. Which they are actively fighting.

Something that is in their control: Ensuring that every hospital provides top-of-the-line prenatal care for everyone, and free delivery. Which they are actively fighting.

This. To the sky!

It's a conundrum isn't it?

Yeah, I don't think making the law MORE cruel is the answer... but it's so unfair on a gender level I almost wish they would. You can bet if they had, all these men would be oh so hurt and outraged about it.

Something that is in their control: Ensuring that every hospital provides top-of-the-line prenatal care for everyone, and free delivery. Which they are actively fighting.

I know. It's so clear it's not about helping women but about punishing them.

I have a few words.

Fucking SCUMBAGS!!!

Women are people, not just goddamn sperm receptacles.

Congratulations fucking Utah, you're now giving women no more respect than they had in the middle ages. You know, that time period when women could be accused of witchcraft when they miscarried their sons.

This is why democracy will inevitably fail. When majority rules and the majority consists of closed minded, sexist, dogmatic assclowns, douchebag decisions like this are FUCKING INEVITABLE. We're all screwed.

I know! Imagine thinking women count as people and should be valued. Sweet jesus I hate pro-"life" conservatives. I just hate them so fucking much.

When I saw that link, I saw red. Because all I could think of was my neighbor who had a miscarriage several months ago. She and her husband were ready to try for a second child (their first is 4 years old), and she was in her first trimester. I asked her how she and the baby were doing, when she started crying. She had had the miscarriage the day before.

You know, even when a woman is doing everything right and wants the baby, she can still have a miscarriage. It's part of nature, and it's most likely to happen in the first trimester. I think it is criminal to try to make a law where "some cases" would be murder, because it leaves way too much gray area for people to play around in and hurt others.

I know. They are punishing women at a time when they need sympathy and compassion. It's sickening.

I think it is criminal to try to make a law where "some cases" would be murder, because it leaves way too much gray area for people to play around in and hurt others.

Exactly. It's blatantly an attempt to punish women who are not behaving in exactly the way conservatives wish them to, i.e. they are actually living their own lives.

The first thing that comes to mind is simply, WTF?!

That Utah has been allowed to corner its female population into forced reproduction is outrageous! The reason abortions aren't illegal is to prevent back-alley abortions and other methods which are rarely successful without extensive and sometimes permanent damage to the woman. Had she simply been allowed to exercise her right to terminate an unwanted pregnancy then her suffering and any possible repercussions such a beating could inflict on the child.

Now to charge a woman with murder is she miscarries is....well fuck! This is why it is imperative that the US Constitution be amended to include woman's rights for more than just "the vote". Until we stand up for ourselves and let our government know we will no longer be treated as 2nd class citizens and incubators, we can only expect this to get worse.

The first woman prosecuted under this new law needs to sue Utah and bring her case to the Supreme Court so that this law can be abolished and insure that such a monstrosity never occurs again.

I vote that someone start a preemptive legal defense fund for whoever that woman is. It's not my country and I don't care if it turns out to be a case of premeditation; that shit needs to be stopped, and I'm willing to chip in to help make that happen.

That is a fantastic idea. I'd certainly chip in.

Had she simply been allowed to exercise her right to terminate an unwanted pregnancy then her suffering and any possible repercussions such a beating could inflict on the child.

Exactly! And if people honestly want to reduce the number of abortions WHY THE FUCK are they blocking contraception?

The first woman prosecuted under this new law needs to sue Utah and bring her case to the Supreme Court so that this law can be abolished and insure that such a monstrosity never occurs again.

hell yes. Although I'm fucking furious there has to BE a 'first woman'.

It's... I... I knew about this already, but still, just... FUCK.
Seriously, not even thinking about the abortions for a second, MISCARRIAGES?!?!

My mother's third pregnancy, when I was three, resulted in a miscarriage. When women who wanted to have the baby have a miscarriage, no matter what caused it, it can be devastating. My mom still gets emotional talking about it. And now, what, women in Utah who have miscarriages are going to be INVESTIGATED? To determine if "reckless behavior" caused it? NOT WHAT THESE WOMEN FUCKING NEED. Especially if they already blame themselves.

And the fact that this bill doesn't allow exceptions for victims of domestic violence is just fucking disgusting.

I know, it's revolting.

It's writing a law so that women can be victemized and traumatized twice. First by their abuses spouses, then by the government that SHOULD be protecting and supporting them.

I have a headache.

Now I have a bigger one just by reading this.

God. What a fuck-up.

Exactly.

I saw a good documentary about abortion a while ago called Lake of Fire. It has a slight pro-choice bias, but both sides get roughly the same amount of screentime and the bias might just be me looking for what I want to see.

Am I the only one who thinks that it's no coincidence that the groups who oppose abortion, contraception and sexual education are the groups with the highest incidence of teen pregnancy and abortion?

Am I the only one who thinks that it's no coincidence that the groups who oppose abortion, contraception and sexual education are the groups with the highest incidence of teen pregnancy and abortion?

Of course not! It's a direct casual relationship! There is basically no way of stopping kids from having sex, but it's totally possible to deny them the knowledge about how to have sex responsibly.

Indeed. As I said to

qualapec, this is a part of society that refuses to deal with root issues that cause these problems, and then compensate by focusing 100 and crazy% on dealing with the effects.

Word.

I couldn't even get through the whole article. Just…just…what???

I really hate how stupid people can be.

Word.

Don't know if anyone has mentioned this yet, but this is Utah, and I see a blatant issue of Mormon principles versus non. Things like this (and like comments about Haiti being damned, etc.) seriously compromise my religious tolerance.

Oh, very much so.

And personally, I don't think it's a matter of religious tolerance; it's a matter of upholding the seperation of Church and State. They can believe whatever they want as long as they keep their fucking laws off women's bodies.

Oh it is most definitely an issue of church and state (an absolutely ridiculous one), but for me on a personal level it just makes me feel like we should dump them all on a deserted island somewhere so they can't keep spreading their self-righteous prejudice to the rest of the world. >:/

And you know what, as long as you don't actively legislate or agitate to do so, you're golden! In fact, I will join you in fantasizing about.. well, nothing so kind as a deserted island.

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