I don't think she deserved what's happening at all, but I do think she brought it on herself.
I don't know if that's entirely fair. It's fine that you're not a fan of the arc, or the way it's been handled, but to say that she brought it on herself by being selfish and stupid? How? The whole point of Monday's episode was to show that Lydia recognized her part in this, felt guilty for it, but that the blame of the scandal lay entirely on Wickham. George manipulated her-- just like he'd manipulated Gigi and Lizzie to some extent (both of whom are characterized as smart, responsible women, so I don't see how it makes Lydia stupid for falling for the same ploy that her sister did).
I don't think she showed a lack of consideration for her sisters or was especially self-involved in this episode, especially since she mentioned she felt guilty for "ruining their lives" and the majority of repercussions of this horrible situation affected her personally. Lizzie and Jane both chose to come home, knowing that it would jeopardize their school and job situations, and up until this point Lydia wasn't even ready to start accepting her sisters' support.
Lizzie may have called her a slut, but it was Lydia's actions that made it true, and nothing that she's said or done since then has made those words untrue in anyway.
I wholeheartedly disagree. Yes, we've heard of Lydia looking for boys to mack on, but we've heard absolutely nothing about her having sex with any of them. In fact, we had proof that she and Wickham had waited a few weeks before having sex. At one point in her videos, Lydia admits (in regards to the drugs that she'd stolen when she was babysitting) that she wasn't nearly as much of a party girl as everyone thought. That she liked to have fun but wasn't "crazy."
Additionally, I don't see how making a sex tape with someone you're in an established relationship with is slutty in any way. George was her boyfriend, she believed they were in love-- if she hadn't been manipulated into consenting to the tape, would it still have been slutty for her to do so? It wasn't Lydia's party girl tendencies that got her into this mess, it was her insecurity that George exploited.
Lizzie may have called her a slut, but it was Lydia's actions that made it true, and nothing that she's said or done since then has made those words untrue in anyway.
I wholeheartedly disagree. Yes, we've heard of Lydia looking for boys to mack on, but we've heard absolutely nothing about her having sex with any of them. In fact, we had proof that she and Wickham had waited a few weeks before having sex. At one point in her videos, Lydia admits (in regards to the drugs that she'd stolen when she was babysitting) that she wasn't nearly as much of a party girl as everyone thought. That she liked to have fun but wasn't "crazy."
*thumbs up* One of the reasons I was so annoyed that the writers choose to go a sex tape route with Lydia was that it ties into all these cultural ideas about purity and 'how much sex good women have.' EVEN IF Lydia was EXACTLY as much of a party girl as she presented herself, why is that so wrong? Why is it so awful for her to choose to just have casual sex with dudes? It doesn't matter how many people she fucked, she only consented to being filmed because she was manipulated into it, she CERTAINLY didn't say yes to putting it up on the interent.
Additionally, I don't see how making a sex tape with someone you're in an established relationship with is slutty in any way. George was her boyfriend, she believed they were in love-- if she hadn't been manipulated into consenting to the tape, would it still have been slutty for her to do so?
My answer is 'fuck no.'
I don't think she showed a lack of consideration for her sisters or was especially self-involved in this episode, especially since she mentioned she felt guilty for "ruining their lives" and the majority of repercussions of this horrible situation affected her personally. Lizzie and Jane both chose to come home, knowing that it would jeopardize their school and job situations, and up until this point Lydia wasn't even ready to start accepting her sisters' support.
*nods* And again, this is one of those places where I really wished that the show had decided to go with something medical, where it feels more believable that Jane would really need to be at home.
It doesn't matter how many people she fucked, she only consented to being filmed because she was manipulated into it, she CERTAINLY didn't say yes to putting it up on the internet.
I completely agree. Honestly this was my biggest complaint with Lydia's story arc: the fact that they were clearly attempting to tie in her party girl behavior as some sort of catalyst for this crucial plot twist. From what I've seen, none of Lydia's party girl antics directly led to her being manipulated by George-- she was an easy target for him because she was insecure, not because of her partying habits. The stigma that clings to women who like to party often has always really bothered me-- Lydia likes to party. She likes to get drunk and flirt with guys. We have zero evidence of her being unsafe in any of those situations, even in Lizzie's biased observations.
I do like the fact that they wanted to keep the scandal sexual in some way, like the way it was in the book, but you're right-- medical drama (like an overdose or something similar) would have been much more believable in this case, and in my opinion, you'd be able to place more of the blame on Lydia's carelessness, which I think is what the writers had originally intended on doing.
She likes to get drunk and flirt with guys. We have zero evidence of her being unsafe in any of those situations, even in Lizzie's biased observations.
I think we have one line that implied Lydia wasn't good about using protection, but yeah, there is this general disapproval of her choice to party that's problematic.
I do like the fact that they wanted to keep the scandal sexual in some way, like the way it was in the book, but you're right-- medical drama (like an overdose or something similar) would have been much more believable in this case, and in my opinion, you'd be able to place more of the blame on Lydia's carelessness, which I think is what the writers had originally intended on doing.
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I don't know if that's entirely fair. It's fine that you're not a fan of the arc, or the way it's been handled, but to say that she brought it on herself by being selfish and stupid? How? The whole point of Monday's episode was to show that Lydia recognized her part in this, felt guilty for it, but that the blame of the scandal lay entirely on Wickham. George manipulated her-- just like he'd manipulated Gigi and Lizzie to some extent (both of whom are characterized as smart, responsible women, so I don't see how it makes Lydia stupid for falling for the same ploy that her sister did).
I don't think she showed a lack of consideration for her sisters or was especially self-involved in this episode, especially since she mentioned she felt guilty for "ruining their lives" and the majority of repercussions of this horrible situation affected her personally. Lizzie and Jane both chose to come home, knowing that it would jeopardize their school and job situations, and up until this point Lydia wasn't even ready to start accepting her sisters' support.
Lizzie may have called her a slut, but it was Lydia's actions that made it true, and nothing that she's said or done since then has made those words untrue in anyway.
I wholeheartedly disagree. Yes, we've heard of Lydia looking for boys to mack on, but we've heard absolutely nothing about her having sex with any of them. In fact, we had proof that she and Wickham had waited a few weeks before having sex. At one point in her videos, Lydia admits (in regards to the drugs that she'd stolen when she was babysitting) that she wasn't nearly as much of a party girl as everyone thought. That she liked to have fun but wasn't "crazy."
Additionally, I don't see how making a sex tape with someone you're in an established relationship with is slutty in any way. George was her boyfriend, she believed they were in love-- if she hadn't been manipulated into consenting to the tape, would it still have been slutty for her to do so? It wasn't Lydia's party girl tendencies that got her into this mess, it was her insecurity that George exploited.
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I wholeheartedly disagree. Yes, we've heard of Lydia looking for boys to mack on, but we've heard absolutely nothing about her having sex with any of them. In fact, we had proof that she and Wickham had waited a few weeks before having sex. At one point in her videos, Lydia admits (in regards to the drugs that she'd stolen when she was babysitting) that she wasn't nearly as much of a party girl as everyone thought. That she liked to have fun but wasn't "crazy."
*thumbs up* One of the reasons I was so annoyed that the writers choose to go a sex tape route with Lydia was that it ties into all these cultural ideas about purity and 'how much sex good women have.' EVEN IF Lydia was EXACTLY as much of a party girl as she presented herself, why is that so wrong? Why is it so awful for her to choose to just have casual sex with dudes? It doesn't matter how many people she fucked, she only consented to being filmed because she was manipulated into it, she CERTAINLY didn't say yes to putting it up on the interent.
Additionally, I don't see how making a sex tape with someone you're in an established relationship with is slutty in any way. George was her boyfriend, she believed they were in love-- if she hadn't been manipulated into consenting to the tape, would it still have been slutty for her to do so?
My answer is 'fuck no.'
I don't think she showed a lack of consideration for her sisters or was especially self-involved in this episode, especially since she mentioned she felt guilty for "ruining their lives" and the majority of repercussions of this horrible situation affected her personally. Lizzie and Jane both chose to come home, knowing that it would jeopardize their school and job situations, and up until this point Lydia wasn't even ready to start accepting her sisters' support.
*nods* And again, this is one of those places where I really wished that the show had decided to go with something medical, where it feels more believable that Jane would really need to be at home.
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I completely agree. Honestly this was my biggest complaint with Lydia's story arc: the fact that they were clearly attempting to tie in her party girl behavior as some sort of catalyst for this crucial plot twist. From what I've seen, none of Lydia's party girl antics directly led to her being manipulated by George-- she was an easy target for him because she was insecure, not because of her partying habits. The stigma that clings to women who like to party often has always really bothered me-- Lydia likes to party. She likes to get drunk and flirt with guys. We have zero evidence of her being unsafe in any of those situations, even in Lizzie's biased observations.
I do like the fact that they wanted to keep the scandal sexual in some way, like the way it was in the book, but you're right-- medical drama (like an overdose or something similar) would have been much more believable in this case, and in my opinion, you'd be able to place more of the blame on Lydia's carelessness, which I think is what the writers had originally intended on doing.
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I think we have one line that implied Lydia wasn't good about using protection, but yeah, there is this general disapproval of her choice to party that's problematic.
I do like the fact that they wanted to keep the scandal sexual in some way, like the way it was in the book, but you're right-- medical drama (like an overdose or something similar) would have been much more believable in this case, and in my opinion, you'd be able to place more of the blame on Lydia's carelessness, which I think is what the writers had originally intended on doing.
That would have been SO much better.
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