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Fandom Tennis Match Meme!
Okay, here's how this is going to work. You comment with a fandom question. I answer it and then ask you a question that has some thematic relevance to the question you asked me.
Okay, here's how this is going to work. You comment with a fandom question. I answer it and then ask you a question that has some thematic relevance to the question you asked me.
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What was your first fandom ever? Do you still create/look at fanworks for it? Are you still in touch with friends from it? INQUIRING MINDS WANT TO KNOW.
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What fandom (if any) do you regret being in?
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Same thing. I'd still ship Clint/Natasha if Clint was a woman, I'd still ship Regina/Emma if Emma was a dude. God, I would love it if Emma were a dude.
Do you find your male/male ships look different or have different dynamics than female/male, and if so, is that something about your tastes or just a lack of equivalent relationships. (i.e. there aren't any Loki/Tony esque relationships being written with a woman in either role).
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I definitely look for different things in slash and het ships. There are some common trends, like chemistry, enemyshipping, snark, etc, but I've noticed fairly dramatic differences. Sif/Loki and Tony/Loki are the easiest sampling to see it (both enemyships, same romantic interest, etc). My view of Sif/Loki is two people who used to be friends and had a huge falling out. When there's a threat being made, I almost exclusively keep it on Sif's side. It's about people working through serious obstacles to find something that used to be there that may or may not still exist. I think safety comes into play strongly for me when I ship het, which is sometimes a hard thing to account for with something like Sif/Loki. Basically, with het, I tend to look for relationships that are basically healthy or could be healthy, but also have tension.
With Frostiron, there's still that sense of balance and it has similar themes, but I'm more comfortable exploring this fun, mutually-destructive-maybe-beneficial side. I feel safer exploring things like "We're sitting down to have a drink and there might be cyanide in it so lets just enjoy the drink". It's fun, and that's not to say women can't have those kinds of relationships, it's just not necessarily the kind of relationship I personally am comfortable writing women in. I don't mind putting male characters at risk. Emma/Regina has taught me that those same narrative tropes mostly apply to f/f relationships too, but even then, my emphasis is less on the threat they pose to each other and more on how beneficial their relationship could be for both of them.
It's odd and confusing. I know there are differences, but I can't quite pinpoint why that is or why I have those hangups, or if it's even a bad thing to have them.
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Actually, Sif/Loki having an element of safety to it makes total sense to me - it's one of the reasons I ship Sif/Loki and not Darcy/Loki is because Loki could have a temper tantrum and kill Darcy - Loki could probably kill Sif, but he'd have to work damn hard to do so, and I buy that Sif is enough of a statigist and knows Loki well enough that most of his favorite tricks wouldn't work on her.
Emma/Regina has taught me that those same narrative tropes mostly apply to f/f relationships too, but even then, my emphasis is less on the threat they pose to each other and more on how beneficial their relationship could be for both of them.
Same here. I just want them to live in Regina's house and co-parent Henry and have awesome sex and also fight things.
It's odd and confusing. I know there are differences, but I can't quite pinpoint why that is or why I have those hangups, or if it's even a bad thing to have them.
I think it's just interesting - it also reminds me of when I was talking about my list of favorite male character and how all of those men are people I would feel safe with (whereas, I wouldn't automatically feel as safe with, say, Regina or Adelle deWitte). (On that subject, you are not the only friend of mine who's a fan of mad scientist characters, and I think that element of chaos and unpredictability is part of why I don't fall for crazy mad scientist characters.)
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All of this. Plus, I think in a lot of situations, Loki's background with Sif means he's less likely to threaten her because he knows that she knows. Even at that, it's a delicate dance between keeping him IC and not crossing a line.
it also reminds me of when I was talking about my list of favorite male character and how all of those men are people I would feel safe with
Even Tony Stark?
That's really fascinating though. I have a lot of favorite male characters that are objectively unsafe people to be around, even though I'm fairly sensitive to in-story dynamics.
On that subject, you are not the only friend of mine who's a fan of mad scientist characters, and I think that element of chaos and unpredictability is part of why I don't fall for crazy mad scientist characters
That is 100% legitimate. With me, I sort of take it as a challenge to explain the method behind the madness. Like, if I can't see why that character is behaving in that way or what fuels their actions, I'm less likely to enjoy them.
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Even Tony Stark?
Even Tony Stark. Especially Tony Stark post the midpoint of the first movie. Like, I'd 1000x rather meet Tony Stark in a dark alley than, say, Toni DiNozzi (or whatever) from NCIS.
I have a lot of favorite male characters that are objectively unsafe people to be around, even though I'm fairly sensitive to in-story dynamics.</iM Most people do! And I have a lot of favorite ladies who aren't safe people to be around but my list of favorite dudes is skews much more heavily towards legit heroic dudes. The outliner is Barney Stinsten who is... words fail.
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This question was inspired by your last post and the fact that I'm taking a course on shakespeare.no subject
Twelfth Night, Much Ado About Nothing, Macbeth.
Your favorite romantic relationships from Shakespeare's works.
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2. Romeo and Juliet: I'm aware that there are some problematic elements to that relationships because they only knew each other for a couple of days but I also love the fact that Juliet took control of her own destiny and chose to be with someone who actually cares about her and not her position in society.
3. Venus and Adonis: this pairing also has its problems but Lyndez did some pretty sexy fanart of them on her tumblr page.
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They are so fucking awesome.
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Also, here's the fanart I was talking about. Don't look at it while you're at work because there's nudity:
http://lyndezart.tumblr.com/post/44005205110
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2.) Artemis was always drawn to and vaguely uncomfortable with how affectionate the Wests' are.
3.) When Artemis went to tell Wally's parents what had happened, it took her HOURS to get the words out, but the Wests knew that their son was dead from the moment they saw Artemis' face.
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It doesn't have to be something you're still involved in now, but is there something that was really intense and compelling initially, but it sort of blew up in your face when it degenerated into a piece of crap?
... And why do you feel it was so awful? Where did it go wrong?
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Probably Naruto. It was ALWAYS crap, and i knew that going in, but there were awesome fanworks and awesome people and I got sucked in before (eventually) going, 'oh my god, the writer of this manga is a fucking sexist hack I can't believe I spent so much time in this world he created' and peaced out.
And in retrospect, I just really regret the time I gave that fandom. There were many other things that I could have been doing instead.
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-Nat and Clint having competent trade craft. These are two master assassin (in love).
-Explicit sexy-fun-times.
Is there a beloved pairing of yours that you find writers often get wrong?