This article on Clarice Starling makes me want to rewatch Silence of the Lambs and also drives home howthe repeated deaths of smart, clever women on Hannibal is a betrayal of a core value of its progenitor.
Honestly, I'm sick of adaptations of old narratives that think they're 'feminist' but don't end up being any more feminist than their predecessor. For example, Snow White. A lot of modern adaptations of that fairy tale think they're feminist because they give Snow White a sword and some battle armour, but still dehumanise the queen for not wanting to become old or for trying to hold onto power. Why aren't there any Snow White adaptations that examine the way society treats older women? Why do these male white creators think they're being so clever by adapting an old story and turning it into something that is clearly tainted by their own assumptions and cultural biases?
Awww, were you bitterly disappointed by Snow White & The Huntsman, too?
And what's particularly insulting and frustrating about Hannibal vs. Silence of the Lambs is that Silence of the Lambs is EXPLICITLY FEMINIST and confronts the patriarchy, whereas Hannibal, while doing other things well, is reinforcing it.
The queen was soooooooo cool and Snow White wasn't a bad heroine per say, but there were lots of things that made me side eye the movie. It could have been a fantastic commentary on sexism and ageism and our society's horrible beauty standards but it ended up reinforcing a lot of problematic shit that Hollywood supports.
It doesn't help that it's an otherwise beautiful film.
You know, I had wondered why fandom expected Hannibal to be feminist. Not to offend anyone but someone made a post saying "Hannibal was about a white dude serially killing people, it was never going to be feminist because it normalises and romanticises white male violence" and while I really sympathise with the Hannibal fandom because no one deserves to have a beloved woc character killed off, I really wondered why they hadn't expected to be disappointed.
However, now that I've read about the show's source material, I am really outraged. Like, why can't someone who actually understands feminism and patriarchy and intersectionality, take these old stories and give the modern adaptations or sequels they deserve. Even Frozen's source material was more feminist and intersectional than the movie, and that novel was written in Victorian times.
It doesn't help that it's an otherwise beautiful film.
Yep. I totally wanted the ending to be the two main ladies making out.
You know, I had wondered why fandom expected Hannibal to be feminist. Not to offend anyone but someone made a post saying "Hannibal was about a white dude serially killing people, it was never going to be feminist because it normalises and romanticises white male violence" and while I really sympathise with the Hannibal fandom because no one deserves to have a beloved woc character killed off, I really wondered why they hadn't expected to be disappointed.
However, now that I've read about the show's source material, I am really outraged. Like, why can't someone who actually understands feminism and patriarchy and intersectionality, take these old stories and give the modern adaptations or sequels they deserve. Even Frozen's source material was more feminist and intersectional than the movie, and that novel was written in Victorian times.
Also, Bryan Fuller previously said some really great things about how he choose to race and gender bend because otherwise the world started to look like it was made up of only white men, and was really gracious about Hannibal/Will shipping, and said the he loved that the show had been embraced by a lot of smart, articulate women.... and them BOOM, Beverly dies, and he's spewing all this grossness about how she was always slated to die and her death is all about Will and Hannibal.
And the white dude serially killing people thing; originally, Hannibal ate "the rude" but had a lot of respect for smart, clever people (Clarice in particular). It's highly unlikely Hannibal of the films would have killed Beverly or the FBI trainee or ESPECIALLY Abigail (who was in his charge) when these were all smart, respectful women whose only crime was being clever.
Yep. I totally wanted the ending to be the two main ladies making out.
Now that would have been an interesting twist.
Also, Bryan Fuller previously said some really great things about how he choose to race and gender bend because otherwise the world started to look like it was made up of only white men, and was really gracious about Hannibal/Will shipping, and said the he loved that the show had been embraced by a lot of smart, articulate women.... and them BOOM, Beverly dies, and he's spewing all this grossness about how she was always slated to die and her death is all about Will and Hannibal.
And the white dude serially killing people thing; originally, Hannibal ate "the rude" but had a lot of respect for smart, clever people (Clarice in particular). It's highly unlikely Hannibal of the films would have killed Beverly or the FBI trainee or ESPECIALLY Abigail (who was in his charge) when these were all smart, respectful women whose only crime was being clever.
Oh God, now this just makes me even more outraged on behalf of the fandom.
White male creators need to learn that sometimes they are wrong about these things and shouldn't go to great lengths to insult/undermine their audience when society does that already. It's not enough just to include ladies/poc/etc. anymore. I think people like Bryan Fuller would really benefit from taking an English Literature class or two and learning about how certain creatives choices are a) boring b) super problematic because their privilege is clearly making them blind to how their creative choices affect the people they're trying to be 'respectful' towards.
People wonder why fandom no longer trusts white, male creators to respect their source material and/or audience, but they've proven time and time again that they will let their egos get in the way of good/progressive storytelling.
I'm sorry that turned into a rant but I experience so much second hand embarrassment for these people and how they conduct themselves in public.
hmm . . . thinking about it, while Hannibal of the books preferred to eat the rude, he would still kill those who happened to stand between himself and freedom -- prison guards, the ambulance crew when he escaped wearing that guy's face, etc. So while he would still kill those who stood to reveal him (but not Abigail -- maybe get her fake ID, bag of cash, and a ticket to Europe to get her out of the way), he might allow them a dignity in death and not consider them a food source.
I think Hannibal-the-show ultimately earns a gold 'You Tried' star.
I totally wanted the ending to be the two main ladies making out
Wait, wait - Snow/Ravenna?! I totally ship it! I love that she was actually Snow's first kiss while shapeshifted as one of her male love interests, bwahaha.
I always ship Evil Queens and the main chick of the story, but I'm never going to see that pairing happen. *sighs wistfully*
Wait, wait - Snow/Ravenna?! I totally ship it! I love that she was actually Snow's first kiss while shapeshifted as one of her male love interests, bwahaha.
Hell yes, Snow/Ravenna! From the word go I was wanting them to get together and Ravennna to get a happy ending, even though it was NEVER going to happen.
I always ship Evil Queens and the main chick of the story, but I'm never going to see that pairing happen. *sighs wistfully*
If the entertainment industry can't give me f/f, I wish they'd at least let the female antagonist live once in a while just so I can delude myself into believing there's the possibility of her getting to live happily ever after. :/
I was on a general fairytale kick a while back and hunted through AO3 for that dynamic - there was one or two fics I enjoyed, and argh, it's now killing me that I can't find this one in particular that I enjoyed which was based loosely on Sleeping Beauty, so an AU take on Aurora/Maleficent. I might have to drag out all my various and sundry external hard drives to see if I saved it anywhere, 'coz I've gone through the tag now and cannot find it. Aww, sad to discover it wasn't actually shippy, as I thought - I combined two different fics in my head, lolwhoops. Fail, self, utter fail.
(ngl, I plan to see the new movie in May just for any ship fodder it cares to provide, IDEC if I'm watching it wrong, that is my plan)
If the entertainment industry can't give me f/f, I wish they'd at least let the female antagonist live once in a while just so I can delude myself into believing there's the possibility of her getting to live happily ever after. :/
Right? That would make SUCH a nice change.
(ngl, I plan to see the new movie in May just for any ship fodder it cares to provide, IDEC if I'm watching it wrong, that is my plan)
I tried to tell myself I wasn't going to watch this opening week, but it's a lie, I totally am.
Isn't that a fabulous article? It was written before Beverly's death, but feels particularly resonant in its aftermath. Did you notice it's the same writer who penned, "The Full Boyle" essay for AV Club?
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And what's particularly insulting and frustrating about Hannibal vs. Silence of the Lambs is that Silence of the Lambs is EXPLICITLY FEMINIST and confronts the patriarchy, whereas Hannibal, while doing other things well, is reinforcing it.
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The queen was soooooooo cool and Snow White wasn't a bad heroine per say, but there were lots of things that made me side eye the movie. It could have been a fantastic commentary on sexism and ageism and our society's horrible beauty standards but it ended up reinforcing a lot of problematic shit that Hollywood supports.
It doesn't help that it's an otherwise beautiful film.
You know, I had wondered why fandom expected Hannibal to be feminist. Not to offend anyone but someone made a post saying "Hannibal was about a white dude serially killing people, it was never going to be feminist because it normalises and romanticises white male violence" and while I really sympathise with the Hannibal fandom because no one deserves to have a beloved woc character killed off, I really wondered why they hadn't expected to be disappointed.
However, now that I've read about the show's source material, I am really outraged. Like, why can't someone who actually understands feminism and patriarchy and intersectionality, take these old stories and give the modern adaptations or sequels they deserve. Even Frozen's source material was more feminist and intersectional than the movie, and that novel was written in Victorian times.
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Yep. I totally wanted the ending to be the two main ladies making out.
You know, I had wondered why fandom expected Hannibal to be feminist. Not to offend anyone but someone made a post saying "Hannibal was about a white dude serially killing people, it was never going to be feminist because it normalises and romanticises white male violence" and while I really sympathise with the Hannibal fandom because no one deserves to have a beloved woc character killed off, I really wondered why they hadn't expected to be disappointed.
However, now that I've read about the show's source material, I am really outraged. Like, why can't someone who actually understands feminism and patriarchy and intersectionality, take these old stories and give the modern adaptations or sequels they deserve. Even Frozen's source material was more feminist and intersectional than the movie, and that novel was written in Victorian times.
Also, Bryan Fuller previously said some really great things about how he choose to race and gender bend because otherwise the world started to look like it was made up of only white men, and was really gracious about Hannibal/Will shipping, and said the he loved that the show had been embraced by a lot of smart, articulate women.... and them BOOM, Beverly dies, and he's spewing all this grossness about how she was always slated to die and her death is all about Will and Hannibal.
And the white dude serially killing people thing; originally, Hannibal ate "the rude" but had a lot of respect for smart, clever people (Clarice in particular). It's highly unlikely Hannibal of the films would have killed Beverly or the FBI trainee or ESPECIALLY Abigail (who was in his charge) when these were all smart, respectful women whose only crime was being clever.
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Now that would have been an interesting twist.
Also, Bryan Fuller previously said some really great things about how he choose to race and gender bend because otherwise the world started to look like it was made up of only white men, and was really gracious about Hannibal/Will shipping, and said the he loved that the show had been embraced by a lot of smart, articulate women.... and them BOOM, Beverly dies, and he's spewing all this grossness about how she was always slated to die and her death is all about Will and Hannibal.
And the white dude serially killing people thing; originally, Hannibal ate "the rude" but had a lot of respect for smart, clever people (Clarice in particular). It's highly unlikely Hannibal of the films would have killed Beverly or the FBI trainee or ESPECIALLY Abigail (who was in his charge) when these were all smart, respectful women whose only crime was being clever.
Oh God, now this just makes me even more outraged on behalf of the fandom.
White male creators need to learn that sometimes they are wrong about these things and shouldn't go to great lengths to insult/undermine their audience when society does that already. It's not enough just to include ladies/poc/etc. anymore. I think people like Bryan Fuller would really benefit from taking an English Literature class or two and learning about how certain creatives choices are a) boring b) super problematic because their privilege is clearly making them blind to how their creative choices affect the people they're trying to be 'respectful' towards.
People wonder why fandom no longer trusts white, male creators to respect their source material and/or audience, but they've proven time and time again that they will let their egos get in the way of good/progressive storytelling.
I'm sorry that turned into a rant but I experience so much second hand embarrassment for these people and how they conduct themselves in public.
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I think Hannibal-the-show ultimately earns a gold 'You Tried' star.
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With a condescending pat on the head to boot.
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Wait, wait - Snow/Ravenna?! I totally ship it! I love that she was actually Snow's first kiss while shapeshifted as one of her male love interests, bwahaha.
I always ship Evil Queens and the main chick of the story, but I'm never going to see that pairing happen. *sighs wistfully*
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Hell yes, Snow/Ravenna! From the word go I was wanting them to get together and Ravennna to get a happy ending, even though it was NEVER going to happen.
I always ship Evil Queens and the main chick of the story, but I'm never going to see that pairing happen. *sighs wistfully*
Snow/Ravenna, Emma/Regina... do you have others?
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I was on a general fairytale kick a while back and hunted through AO3 for that dynamic - there was one or two fics I enjoyed, and argh, it's now killing me that I can't find this one in particular that I enjoyed which was based loosely on Sleeping Beauty, so an AU take on Aurora/Maleficent.
I might have to drag out all my various and sundry external hard drives to see if I saved it anywhere, 'coz I've gone through the tag now and cannot find it.Aww, sad to discover it wasn't actually shippy, as I thought - I combined two different fics in my head, lolwhoops. Fail, self, utter fail.(ngl, I plan to see the new movie in May just for any ship fodder it cares to provide, IDEC if I'm watching it wrong, that is my plan)
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Right? That would make SUCH a nice change.
(ngl, I plan to see the new movie in May just for any ship fodder it cares to provide, IDEC if I'm watching it wrong, that is my plan)
I tried to tell myself I wasn't going to watch this opening week, but it's a lie, I totally am.
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