redbrunja: (the avengers | compromised)
redbrunja ([personal profile] redbrunja) wrote2014-04-07 01:13 am

"Who Do You Want Me To Be?"

I saw Winter Soldier again tonight with my mom (my first review is here) and loved it, if anything, possibly more the second time.

Random thoughts:

  • I just want to point out that the Black Widow shot the Winter Soldier in the eye with a handgun, while under fire and standing on the ground while he's above her on an elevated expressway and if he hadn't had bulletproof goggles on, he'd be dead. Just saying.

  • I really wish Marvel would have adorable girl-children in their movies, instead of boy-child after boy-child.

  • I heard through the grapevine that the SHEILD episodes bracketing the release of Winter Soldier tie into the movie (presumably, because SHEILD is being torn down). I CANNOT STRESS HOW AGGRESSIVELY I DON’T CARE ABOUT HOW THE TV SHOW TIES IN. Honestly, I feel like SHIELD’s destruction as an organization will make everything I am disappointed in about the tv show EVEN WORSE.

  • When the set photos of Steve and Nat kissing came out, ircc, I believe Johannessen said something to effect that it was just a goof to throw off paparazzi AND I AM SO GLAD THAT WAS A MISDIRECT. I fucking loved that cover kiss, and the scene where Nat gets them past the other agents by getting Steve to put his arm around her and laugh.

  • ON THE SUBJECT OF KISSING, Steve is still a virgin Y/Y? Like, I buy he got at least one kiss in the future (probably a smacking kiss by some stranger, was my first thought) because the idea that Steve can lie to Natasha is a lol-tastic but it doesn’t seem believable that Cap had an unmentioned girlfriend at any point? And I have a hard time buying him getting his V-card punched by some random stranger. (Do not get me started on home much I hate the idea of Steve sexing up any of the chorus girls in CA: TFA. I once bitched to qualapec for about fifteen minutes straight about how much I hate that showing up in fanfiction.)

  • I love how soft and slightly husky Bucky's voice is (ugh, what to call that character!). Like, in the comics the "who the hell is bucky?" line is, like, large text and capital letters and in the movie it's just this soft, hearbreaking question. A+ acting choice on the part of Mr. Stan.

  • While I do like that it’s clear that Peggy lived a full time – work and family – and certainly wasn’t waiting around for Steve, knowing that the agency she founded turns out to be corrupted makes me markedly less interested in a Peggy Carter tv show.

  • I would FUCKING LOVE to ask the costume director (and Ms. Johannson, who apparently spent a lot of time discussing Widow's costume choices) what their thinking on that was. Because, honestly, a lot of thought went into everything about this movie, and I can think of no other reason to give Natasha an arrow necklace than having it be a Clintasha reference. (I mean, realistically, I think Natasha wearing an arrow is too blatant for her) but like, WHAT was the costume director thinking?



I realize the above random list of things is does not give the proper squee-ful emotional beat - let it be stated that I totally left the movie pumped and I can't wait for all the CA2-inspired fics to start appearing.

[identity profile] sugar-fey.livejournal.com 2014-04-07 09:23 am (UTC)(link)
When the first setpics of Natasha wearing the arrow necklace came out I honestly didn't give them much thought. I thought it was a little thing fandom was getting hung up on like the Budapest thing. Now having seen the movie I'm wondering if it is an intentional reference to Clint, because they put a lot of thought into costumes (except for hair, apparently-- Scarlett's wig was awful and HOW DID HER HAIR GET THAT STRAIGHT AFTER SHE WASHED IT? IS IT HER SUPERPOWER? CAN I HAVE THAT SUPERPOWER?), and the necklace was surprisingly blatant. I think she wore it every time she wore civilian clothes.

[identity profile] redbrunja.livejournal.com 2014-04-16 07:24 am (UTC)(link)
Scarlett's wig was awful

It so was. The only time it looked good was when it was curling a bit in the bedroom with Steve. (Which is understandable. If I was in a bedroom with Steve Rogers, my hair would TOTALLY be curling. ^_^)

[identity profile] mistaria.livejournal.com 2014-04-13 12:17 am (UTC)(link)
Agree again. For me the only thing Marvel needs to do now to win me over forever is have some solo female-led movies. Black Widow and Captain Marvel plz. Also Sif could be really cool. Seriously I want a Sif and Loki-pretending-to-be-Odin movie. And then they will sell like hotcakes and DC/WB will still be talking about how fucking "tricky" Wonder Woman is so that's why there's no WW movie. Fuckers.

[identity profile] redbrunja.livejournal.com 2014-04-13 04:55 am (UTC)(link)
For me the only thing Marvel needs to do now to win me over forever is have some solo female-led movies. Black Widow and Captain Marvel plz.

Agreed so hard. Although honestly, I really doubt we're going to see a solo BW movie. Even though everyone and their sister is calling for it.

Seriously I want a Sif and Loki-pretending-to-be-Odin movie.

See, I want the AFTERMATH of Loki-pretending-to-be-Odin, where it's clear that he was a better Odin than Odin but everyone is super-betrayed. Actually, this comment prompted me to write a ficlet (http://redbrunja.livejournal.com/1070509.html).

[identity profile] mistaria.livejournal.com 2014-04-13 05:11 am (UTC)(link)
Unless this (http://variety.com/2014/film/news/marvel-black-widow-scarlett-johansson-1201104415/) is just a rumor they're developing a BW movie.

[identity profile] redbrunja.livejournal.com 2014-04-13 05:15 am (UTC)(link)
There are been rumors about a BW movie for YEARS. There was actually a completed script that was running around back in IM1 days. I have heard SO MANY TIMES that they're going to make a Black Widow movie. (And actually, I think fairly soon after this article was posted, Kevin Feige said some very back-peddling things about a Widow movie.)

At this point, I'm not going to believe it until I have a release date and pictures from the set. Possibly not even then.

[identity profile] mistaria.livejournal.com 2014-04-13 05:50 am (UTC)(link)
Yeah it probably is better to assume no until we get that kind of concrete proof. It's frustrating because ScarJo has demonstratively been able to carry a movie on her own and there's that upcoming one with her and Morgan Freeman that is going to be an action movie. I know I'm preaching to the choir here as usual but it still needs to be said. :p

[identity profile] redbrunja.livejournal.com 2014-04-13 05:55 am (UTC)(link)
No argument here. I feel like STRICTLY FROM A FINANCIAL standpoint, it makes NO sense to have two upcoming dicey movies (Guardians of the Galaxy, Ant-Man) and not do Black Widow, which would be headlined by the MCU's biggest star coming into the franchise (seriously, Scarlett Johannson is a MUCH better bet than RDJ was, pre-Iron Man) and has so much support for it already.

[identity profile] ladymercury-10.livejournal.com 2014-05-11 12:23 am (UTC)(link)
Do not get me started on home much I hate the idea of Steve sexing up any of the chorus girls in CA: TFA
I am interested in hearing this rant, if you are interested in repeating it.

[identity profile] redbrunja.livejournal.com 2014-05-11 06:35 am (UTC)(link)
Okay, so, I have read fanfics about - or that throw in the detail that - while Steve was on tour, he was sexing up a line up of willing chorus girls, like, they'd come to his dressing room and he'd service them, and every time I read that, I just want to go:

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It's insanely out of character. The first CA movie basically said as clearly as they could without stating it that Steve was a virgin (all his 'right partner' conversations with Peggy, the fact that the newspaper he's reading has a headline that reads 'virginia' folded over so that all you can see is 'virgin' for a bit, etc, etc), and while part of that is that physically Steve had a lot going against him, part of that was that he really did want to wait for the right person. And you expect me to believe that AFTER MEETING PEGGY he just fucked these random girls he didn't love? He's not fucking Tony Stark, people. PLUS it feels like he was cheating on Peggy, even if technically he wasn't. BESIDES WHICH he seems so awkward when he meets Peggy again, and so unsure about what Natalie Dormer's character wanted from him until she shoved her tongue down his throat, that I just don't buy him having had all this backstage experience. Yes, he did kiss Natalie Dormer's character back, but that is HUGELY different than repeated sexual encounters with multiple women.

Ugh. I just feel like people who throw that detail in just don't get Steve Rogers.

Sidenote: I do think there were one or two girls who he was friends with who had fellows of their own and/or didn't like guys like that, who'd run interference between him and some of the more forward girls. But sexing up a whole line up of girls? What is this, the Captain America porn parody?
Edited 2014-05-11 09:51 (UTC)
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[identity profile] grav-ity.livejournal.com 2014-05-11 04:55 pm (UTC)(link)
How do you feel about the headcanon that he picked up details from listening to them talk on the bus?

This is a very good rant, btw. You are quite correct.

[identity profile] redbrunja.livejournal.com 2014-08-18 10:40 pm (UTC)(link)
How do you feel about the headcanon that he picked up details from listening to them talk on the bus?

TOTALLY HERE FOR IT. virgin!Steve who has theoretical knowledge? 100% up my alley. Fuck, I was assuming that Bucky has given him ACTUALLY GOOD SEX TIPS (and now I want the fic where the girls are gabbing about sex and Steve is like 'oh, so Bucky was on the level about that?')

[identity profile] ladymercury-10.livejournal.com 2014-05-11 06:00 pm (UTC)(link)
Ahh yeah, that is a pretty big extrapolation to go from him kissing that one girl back to him sleeping with all of them, especially after what he said to Peggy.

Man, it must be a long time since I saw that movie, I didn't even remember Natalie Dormer was in it.

[identity profile] redbrunja.livejournal.com 2014-08-18 10:22 pm (UTC)(link)
Yeah, she has a short cameo. Can you imagine that day of work? 'Oh, I just got PAID to be styled like a 1940's dame and kissed Captain America AND GOT A PAYCHECK FOR IT.'