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Friday, April 4th, 2008 10:15 am
Yeah, I basically did this two days ago, but it's different, it's character specific. Plus, I'm cleaning just about everything in the house, including my computer, but I think I have ants under my keyboard or behind my bed. Or both. *shudders*


1) Comment with one of my fandoms or a character or two from that fandom.
2) I'll answer with one or two of my unpopular opinions about that fandom or character.
Friday, April 4th, 2008 05:25 pm (UTC)
Will Turner.

(will do back and forths if you want)
Friday, April 4th, 2008 09:53 pm (UTC)
1.) Not boring.

2.) More attractive than Jack Sparrow, especially after the first movie.

3.) A better match for Elizabeth.

For you: Elizabeth Swann.
Friday, April 4th, 2008 09:57 pm (UTC)
yes, yes, and yes

1. Not a hussy, and not a Mary Sue.
2. Too good for Will or Jack. (kinda directly related to 1...)
3. Never had romantic feelings for Jack, just wanted to get to Will and was attracted to the freedom.
4. Would have been happy with Norrington if she'd never met Will.
5. Would have murdered Jack within 2 weeks. A month if they found the perfect combo of run, sex, and raids.

For you: Logan Echolls
Friday, April 4th, 2008 10:05 pm (UTC)
Total word.

I've love more elaboration on #2... why isn't will quite good enough for her?

4.) Oh my god yes. Especially if he ended up taking her with him when he went off (lots of officers wives traveled with their husbands.)

5.) Now I'm picturing Sparrow desperately fingangling things so that she doesn't ever not have enough rum and action to keep his skin intact.

Logan:

1.) Isn't quite good enough for Veronica.

2.) Brought a lot of his problems on himself.

3.) Could me a much better person than he is if he got his head screwed on straight, and he's smart enough that he should know this.
Friday, April 4th, 2008 10:14 pm (UTC)
TWo is simply that, from a logical standpoint: boy would her life have been simpler otherwise, and a knee jerk reaction to all the "Elizabeth isn't good enough for Will/Jack" ranting(also, lets face it...in most aspects, she's probably always going to be a level or two beyond him...he keeps her grounded and she keeps him from getting killed by the hero complex.)

1. I wish more people shared our opinion of this.
2. I agree with but forgive 2, as a lot of it stems from being screwed since birth.
3. Agreed. I think though, that he's kinda scared to be a good person. Lets face it, the people he knows who are supposed to be good people, who actually are? KEITH. And...KEITH.

Next: Duncan Kane.
Sunday, April 6th, 2008 07:12 am (UTC)
TWo is simply that, from a logical standpoint: boy would her life have been simpler otherwise, and a knee jerk reaction to all the "Elizabeth isn't good enough for Will/Jack" ranting(also, lets face it...in most aspects, she's probably always going to be a level or two beyond him...he keeps her grounded and she keeps him from getting killed by the hero complex.)

Oh, word. I have the same thing with Katara. At this point, that girl could fly Zuko alive and then heal him back up, dropkick Aang off a cliff and smack her brother around, and I'd be like, 'she was totally in the right and they all loved it.'

Duncan:

1.) Just because Duncan was dull as dishwater doesn't mean that Teddy Dun is a bad actor.

2.) I think he loved his sister a little too much - it's a bit creepy that Veronica looks so much like Lilly, and with the real stuff that happened with the idea of Veronica literally being to him....
Sunday, April 6th, 2008 07:38 am (UTC)
I have the same thing with most female characters, honestly. (Err...not that I exactly hide it well...) Seriously, even characters I don't care for, I have a bit of that sentiment for. Like, Relena in Gundam Wing? One of the extremely rare occasions where I actually understand the hate, but even so, I wouldn't blame her if she accidentally opened the airlock on Heero and/or Zechs, after the grief they put her through. (Really, conceptually, she's a good character and the Heero/Relena pairing had enormous potential in the almost-enemies-as-lovers arena, but the execution was so amazingly fubar that I can't even say they're good but poorly written.)

I'd mention that only poor little Aang got the lethal treatment, there, but, well...he'd be fine(unless he was too busy watching the pieces of his poor little heart fall around him to remember this isn't really a problem for him.)

I think i'm glad I never looked into the VM fandom beyond my f-list. They're all far too mature and levelheaded to blame an actor. As much as I dislike Duncan, I thought Teddy Dunn did a great job, especially in season 1, where you never knew WHAT was in his head, or how sane/insane he was, and most of that take was him, not the script. I think there was definately a "little too much" in Duncan's love for Lilly, though not to the degree of incest, as I'm told some fans take it. I tink, though, that at least some of that was more Lilly in general. EVERYONE is amazingly hung up on her...Duncan, Logan, Weevil and Veronica all almost have her on a madonna-like pedestal, even though they all know better. I think she was just someone who hugely influenced everyone around her, especially those who needed someone. I also think that the whole "distant/uncaring parents/cheating father" thing had the opposite affect on them as it did on Logan and his sister...instead of alienation, codependency, but a codependency I think she was growing out of faster than he was.
Tuesday, April 8th, 2008 06:39 am (UTC)
Oh, word. I watched episodes 1-5 of Gundum Wing with slashers, and they were merciless about Releena. (Which, granted, she would have and sort of did annoy me to death, but the fact that they're getting all uppity about her sanity while Hero is trying to kill himself and sucking at it....)

Aang's may have been more lethal, but Zuko's hurt more.

I think there was definately a "little too much" in Duncan's love for Lilly, though not to the degree of incest, as I'm told some fans take it. I tink, though, that at least some of that was more Lilly in general. EVERYONE is amazingly hung up on her...Duncan, Logan, Weevil and Veronica all almost have her on a madonna-like pedestal, even though they all know better.

Well said. And what's great about the actress they hired is that (imho) she was vivacious and charismatic enough that you don't look at the characters and go, 'why did you all like her? are you all stupid?'
Tuesday, April 8th, 2008 06:54 am (UTC)
I am uppity about both Heero and Relena's lack of reason, sanity, and interesting traits in general, beyond the opportunity to mock his emo and suicide attempts, though he is interesting from a psychological perspective. Really, though, Relena aside, a lot of the female characters in GW are pretty awesome. Even Relena and Heero/Relena have elements for awesomeness, it's just that the execution is FUBAR beyond belief.

They took Lilly and took all the elements usually used to make you hate a female character and instead of crucifying her, made her awesome, and then hired a good actress. I was sad they couldn't figure out a way to work her into S2(but, you know, it made sense that they couldn't...)
Tuesday, April 8th, 2008 09:14 pm (UTC)
*nods*

Gundum Wing... doesn't work for me on many levels, and I think a large part of that is the general insanity and the tight focus on five male pilots. If have the mecha pilots where female, I'd probably be over it like white on rice.

*nods* That's one of the things that made Veronica Mars so awesome; how violently flawed the characters were, and how we loved them anyway. And you have a really good point, that on any other show, Lilly's character would be Veronica's in school nemisis, instead of Logan.
Tuesday, April 8th, 2008 09:22 pm (UTC)
yeah...that's a problem with GW. It has a lot of cool female characters in a variety of roles-Noin(military commander, pilot) Sally(military officer turned rebel) Une(also military commander, but also politician) Hilde(pilot) Catherine(acrobat) and even Relena(politician) it's just that they're all secondary roles. Yeah, there's a military focus, but...well, it's a military show.
Monday, April 14th, 2008 02:06 am (UTC)
Yeah, but just because it's a military show doesn't mean that it isn't incredibly noticable in an ensemble cast like that when all the women are in secondary roles, and all the people placed in prominent roles are boys. That is the kind of gender dynamics that made me think all anime sucked from age 8-19.
Monday, April 14th, 2008 04:39 am (UTC)
Actually, I was referring to the fact that the roles were all military, not to the secondary part.

The GW series...is for teenaged boys. Sad but true.

(And speaking of gender issues, I've started watching S9 of Stargate SG-1 and oh, the difference between it and SGA. Yeah, tyhere are still issues...but it still handles it so much better.)
Monday, April 14th, 2008 05:05 am (UTC)
Yeah and teenaged boys and me... there is not really a lot of cross over in likes.

(I'm glad to hear that SG-1 is handling gender better - although honestly, it would be hard to be worse.)
Monday, April 14th, 2008 05:39 am (UTC)
Well, to be completely fair, SG-1 benefits from the fact that it started with a small cast, and it made Sam both a soldier and a genius. There was also no "living up to" aspect. SGA was in the position of having to create a male lead that was a good follow up to Jack, and...well, the best way to show your lead is cool is to have him stand up to authority and be the right one. (See my Starbuck problem.) The Stargates seem to have a serious love for the military, and a need to show it as being better than anything else. Sam's in the military, Weir and Teyla...aren't. They also seem uncertain about what to do with a woman in charge, hence the FUBAR-ness of the gender politics in SGA. I noticed it a bit in s8 of SG-1, with Sam in charge of the team, but it wasn't bothersome there because the "woman in charge means she gives advice and they may or may not listen" was a situation where she'd been their best friend and second in command for 7 years already, so it was more like "we all think the same now anyway," and there was already the established dynamic where Daniel and Teal'c would automatically follow her lead if Jack wasn't there, and "group decision instead of direct order" makes sense when there's 7 years of being near equals behind it. She was, though, still much more clearly in charge than SGA made Teyla or Weir, and there was never really a situation where her authority was challenged, not even by Jack(but then, she pretty much owns him anyway.) (Also, SG-1 writers seem to be very in love with Sam, SGA writers seem to be very in love with Sheppard.) I'm curious to see how S9 plays out. Sam was gone from the early eps because Amanda Tapping had a baby, so there's a new guy leading SG-1, and I actually don't know who leads once she comes back(if you know, that's one thing I don't really mind being spoiled for.) That said, he was wanting to serve under Sam, not lead the team, and has an obvious case of hero worship for her(and I suspect a crush, too.)

Really, though, I think I'm pretty much just trying to make excuses for SGA in hopes that it'll get better later, because I do adore Teyla, and I greatly anticipate the very pretty man with dreads, and, well...I know Sam joins the cast later on, and the sad thing is that I love her enough that I'll probably tolerate anything for her.
Monday, April 14th, 2008 06:02 am (UTC)
*nods* Those are all good reasons for why it has such skeevy gender politics - but they're still there, and I know personally, I have no desire to watch SGA - my bloodpressure can't take it.

Also, I think a large part of the problem is that not only are the writers in love with Sheppard, they're in love with McKay, as well, so you have them going, 'we don't know how to deal with these women - but look over here! We have two of our favorite fantasies; the one where we're a handsome denonoir pilot and the one where we're such a genius it doesn't matter how much of an ass we are!'

And I'm being pretty critical - I don't mean to hash your squee at all. And frankly, putting up SGA's problems for Sam is completely reasonable to me.

For gods sake, I have the feeling I'm going to be watch BSG again, and lord knows I don't even have an excuse.
Monday, April 14th, 2008 06:26 am (UTC)
Oh, trust me, unless you say mean things about Teyla, there's pretty much no SGA squee to squash. SGA is definately also in love with McKay. The funny thing about McKay is that, after his first couple episodes in SG-1, I actually really liked him. But in SGA...ok, honestly, there's a huge difference between a guy you like despite his being an ass because he has good qualities, and a guy you're supoosed to like because he's an ass. It's like how I pretty much hate the "manslut because of angst" characters...mansluts just are not appealing, and making an unappealing trait a supposed appeal doesn't work for me. There are characters I can like in spite of that, like Gojyo and Yukimura, but they're always far from my favorites. I do better when they're just mansluts, but you like them anyway. It's more honest, and it's again a case of liking a character despite his flaws, not because of them.

Sheppard...honestly, in season one, he was just a cheap knockoff of Jack who was supposed to be the greatest thing ever, and wasn't. The actor did a good job of trying to separate them, but the script bogged him down. The thing about Jack, though, that they missed with him, is that while Jack has authority issues, he does RESPECT authority, unless authority proves itself worthy of disrespect. Sheppard just says "Screw you" to any authority, and then they try to say he's right about it, even though he's wrong, and they have to undermine Weir to do so. Also, quite frankly, he caused half the issues in S1 and often made deals he had no authority to make, putting Weir in impossible positions, but it was suppsed to be her being wishy washy and his being right, but we weren't supposed to notice that.

Honestly, based on the 2 1/2 eps of SG-1 S9 I've watched, everything they did wrong with him, they're doing right with Cameron. Cameron thinks for himself, and is still the "all american military superhero" the SG writers love so much, but is more grounded and aware of boundaries. He actually feels like the younger Jack he and Sheppard are both supposed to feel like, but sans the snark(well, he snarks, just not as much) and with a healthy dose of hero worship.

I think putting up with ANYTHING for Sam is reasonable.

BTW, since I remember you asking before: I like Vala a good bit, though I'm not sure yet what I think of Vala/Daniel. Most of their scenes so far make me think of squabbling five-year-olds, though there are a couple scenes that make me think there's potential if the writers ever have them do anything besides bicker and have her annoy him. Actually, in all honesty, while I'm fond of Daniel, he's my least favorite member of SG-1's OT4, and I actually prefer Jonas Quinn to him. I do like him, but his arrogance often makes me want to smack him upside the head.
Friday, April 4th, 2008 06:08 pm (UTC)
OMG! I just noticed Tramps Like Us in your tags! And no one has ever read it!

*Cough* But that fandom isn't big enough for popular versus unpopular opinions. SO.

I'll say... Starbuck.
Friday, April 4th, 2008 06:18 pm (UTC)
OH MY GOD YOU ARE LIKE MY SMALL-FANDOM OTHER HALF! *hugs*

And yes, I actually need to do a pimp post for Tramps Like Us, because it is awesome (have you read the final volume yet?) Is there even an lj com for it?

But on to Starbuck (I've been out of the fandom for a while, so I'm not sure how current these are):

1.) Starbuck is just as awesome as the writers and her fans think she is.

2.) It makes perfect sense for her to go marry Anders after Lee said "i love you" because she is just that self-destructive and fracked up, but that doesn't permit you, Lee Adama, to compound her stupidity and drag Dee into it, even if I did lose all respect for her after she trash-talked Billy after breaking up with him.

3.) I'm sorry she got promoted. I wish they could have fanagled it so that she was Lee's second and he was the CAG forever.

And for you... Adama senior.
Edited 2008-04-04 06:19 pm (UTC)
Friday, April 4th, 2008 06:21 pm (UTC)
"And yes, I actually need to do a pimp post for Tramps Like Us, because it is awesome (have you read the final volume yet?) Is there even an lj com for it?"

The drama was pretty popular, and had carryover manga fans, and when you get that combo, a community tends to spring up.
Friday, April 4th, 2008 09:59 pm (UTC)
I am going to have to track down the drama, because I didn't get to watch it before they took it off youtube.
Friday, April 4th, 2008 10:03 pm (UTC)
The drama is...decent? I very much like the leads, nd it had a number of good moments, but I think the only one I really liked was Sumire.

Note: Domyoji plays Momo.
Sunday, April 6th, 2008 07:13 am (UTC)
Domyoji of the flawless skin, high cheekbones and bitable mouth? He's in everything.

I'm going to need to learn his actual name.
Sunday, April 6th, 2008 07:41 am (UTC)
Matsumoto Jun.

HYD 1 and 2(have you seen/are you going to see HYD2?)

He does a good bit of stuff, though I think he mostly does his band stuff and movies these days. He's a very good actor.
Tuesday, April 8th, 2008 06:33 am (UTC)
I'm slowly going through HYD 1 -we'll see if I end up liking it enough to get the second season/series.

Yeah, he is a good actor. Although so far in Gokusen, I keep wanting to tell him to dial the volume down and stop yelling.
Tuesday, April 8th, 2008 06:43 am (UTC)
Heh. In Gokusen's defense, it's meant to be rather cracked out, and the boys are meant to be more of obnoxious hoodlums than they are in the live action, hence the yelling. It was also one of his first really big roles(he did kindaichi before it, which was good, but I don't think it was a big role for him...it was straightforward story and mystery, not a vehicle.)
Tuesday, April 8th, 2008 09:22 pm (UTC)
Yeah, I get the cracked out vibes from it. ...also, I'm watching the live action. Do you mean it's meant to be more cracked out than the anime?
Tuesday, April 8th, 2008 09:26 pm (UTC)
I don't think that it's more cracked out than the anime, really. It's more like it's a live action that treats itself like an anime, if that makes sense.
Tuesday, April 8th, 2008 09:37 pm (UTC)
Totally.
Friday, April 4th, 2008 07:26 pm (UTC)
I have! It was great. ;__; I'm going to miss it now that it's gone, but I'm glad the author didn't try to drag things out for too long.

I'm not sure if there's an LJ comm. The drama came out a few years ago, so there's not really any new content left for the series. Hm.


1) Adama isn't that bad of a father. While he may have been a absent parent while Lee was a child, most of their current rift comes down to Lee's constant petulance.

2) Like Starbuck, Adama can't really function as a person outside of the military. That's why he's such a good commander. Being an officer isn't his job, it's what he is.
Friday, April 4th, 2008 09:56 pm (UTC)
*nods*

I read the 12 manga and thought "this was perfect - oh no, should I stop reading now?' (partially because I didn't get that the women talking were his sister - I thought they were going to try and do some, 'oh, he's been cheat on Sumire' thing, which. No. No way.) and then I found out that the next volume was the last, and I was like, 'thank you so much for not ruining this for me.'

ETA: [livejournal.com profile] by_the_leash

And I like your comments about Adama. Especially about how alike he and Starbuck are.
Edited 2008-04-04 09:58 pm (UTC)
Friday, April 4th, 2008 10:14 pm (UTC)
I like your comment that Starbuck is awesome! Because she is.

I've always thought she and Adama were sort of alike, in that being military officers is an integral part of their being. I think that's why she works so well as a surrogate daughter for him. Neither Lee nor Zach have that quality (which isn't to say that I think Lee is a poor officer, but I think he could have been just as successful in another career.)

Damn, I forgot to tag you of.

Ummm... hows about Light Yagami?
Saturday, April 5th, 2008 05:29 am (UTC)
Oh, totally. And yes, about them being the kind of people who don't belong anywhere else. And I agree that Lee could be happy doing many other things, where Adama and Starbuck... not so much.

1.) The thought of Light begging like a little bitch is the only thing tempting me to finally finishing that series.

2.) Misa annoyed Light to no end but the fact that she lived to the end of the series tells me that he had some fucked up feelings for her.

3.) Light should have realized that if he killed every murderer on the planet, there would still have been him, and if I thought he, I don't know, planned to kill himself after he was done, I might have... hated him less?

And for you... Misa.
Edited 2008-04-05 05:31 am (UTC)
Friday, April 4th, 2008 11:22 pm (UTC)
I think I love that icon.

And since it's right there: Toph.
Ask me somebody!
Saturday, April 5th, 2008 12:58 am (UTC)
Thank you. I said in a previous post that one reason I love "The Runaway" is that it is basically a love letter to how awesome Katara is, and shows how Toph really fails at dealing well with her family issues. And that icon just sums up her emotional state in the ep so well I just had to use it.

1.) Toph is a brat. I said this at the time, but in the second 2 episodes she was in, she was pulling crap my mother NEVER let me get away with and would never THINK about doing to people who weren't, well, my mother, and I wanted Katara to bitchslap her silly.

2.) Sokka is never going to go for Toph. He likes girls who are a bit out of his league (I think Suki is perfect because she is both feminine and regal a la Yue, but is also strong enough to take him and hold her own in a fight, a la Katara). I don't think he'll ever see Toph as anything other than another little sister.

3.) This is only tangentially related to Toph, but every time someone writes Suki as a vamp or a fling from Sokka's pov, I want to beat them silly. Making Sokka not care about her just cheapens whatever you're trying to do with Toph/Sokka (and I say that as someone who cheats on her OTP with that pairing.)

For you... Suki. Or Katara.

I hated Toph in the two episodes after she was introduced, and while I love "The Runaway" I large part of that love is because that episode is basically a love letter to how awesome Katara is, and shows how Toph really fails at dealing well with her family issues.
Saturday, April 5th, 2008 02:26 am (UTC)
1. In that episode I kept thinking "Kid, you are missing the point."
2. Word.
3. Dismissing feelings = bad.

I'll have to rewatch The Runaway, I can't remember which one it is. Was it the con-artist one?


Oooh, tough. I do not know most fandom opinions of Suki, besides "She's awesome!" which I already agree with.
Okay, here goes with Katara:

1. I don't see her as mothering. She seems a lot more like a older sister than a younger one, but she acts her age a lot more than the fans give her credit for. I think part of the "She's the mother!" comes from her usually being the...slightly more mature one, since she's contrasted with two 12-year-olds and Sokka.

2. I'm pretty sure at some point, she will use bloodbending. I will be disappointed if she doesn't it's be really shitty writing to introduce such a thing and then not use it, especially since Toph uses her metalbending. She used it to stop Hama (she did, right? I'm not misremembering?) and I feel that this war is so close to home for her, she will go far to end it. With the hate issues you brought up in mind, at some point in battle it'll snap that these enemies took away her mother.
Maybe Sokka'll bring it up during his planning.
Ideally, Katara'll use it against Ty Lee, equating body-control with the Ty Lee's chi-blocking technique.

3. I think she'd be a terrible Fire Lady.
The Painted Lady episode shows she doesn't hold the actions of the Army against the people, but then again this was a village on the water.
She was in the war-council in Ba Sing Se, and was respected...
She does seem to enjoy travelling the world, but homesickness would make it awfully sucky to be stuck in a place so different and burny.

I guess I feel she's a good leader, but not a stationary one. She's got travel experience, compromising tactics, and a strong will. I say she'd make a good traveling emissary for the Water Tribes.

...why does no one suggest dragging Zuko down to the Southern Water Tribe instead, if they have to be together? He could help keep people warm, and show that the new, peaceful Fire Nation is willing to be vulnerable.

If you feel like doing more, how about Captain Jack Sparrow?
Saturday, April 5th, 2008 04:44 am (UTC)
Yep, 'The Runaway' is the con artist one.

Oh, totally agreed about the bloodbending. She used it on Hama and was totally badass about it. If you have a pistol on the mantle... I just hope they do something similar to the stealing from pirates thing - where it's the best action in a bad situation and they don't make a huge angst fest about it, and but she has a moment of quiet 'what have i done?' and then has to go one and do things.

I think she would make a great leader or a great ambassador - as long as she had something important to do. I know I have a hard time imagining Zuko down at the South Pole (for extended periods of time) for the same reasons I can't imagine Katara going back to her village and staying there: there's nothing for them to do. (Plus, I don't think that Iroh would want to be Fire Lord, especially if Zuko wasn't around.) Basically, I see them as characters that need to have things to do, and I don't know how much they could find to fix and rule in an eight-hut village.

(however, I bet money Katara goes back to her village for a bit after the war is over, possibly until her grandmother dies, and Zuko vacationing in the South Pole is a situation ripe with hilarity.)

Jack... I'm not in the fandom enough to know what's unpopular, but...

1.) I don't think he's the kind of character that you can hang a movie on, thus Elizabeth and Will being hero and heroine and Jack as a very important secondary character.

2.) fic-wise, I have no interest in reading about Jack.

3.) Elizabeth is AWESOME.

4.) I totally don't see Jack/Will. And not just because I'm not a slasher.

For you... FMA's Lust.
Saturday, April 5th, 2008 05:10 am (UTC)
I can't really see any of them staying in one place too long anymore, even if it was a big city or political center with lots too do. Maybe when they're older (like, past middle age, into seniority) or possibly if raising young children.

Were you the one who said you think there's more tribes than just theirs down in the South pole? Because in that case I can see her being there for quite some time teaching a bit to new waterbenders, getting the small tribes in contact with eachother.

Elizabeth Swann-Turner is more bad-ass than Will and Jack put together, in my not-so-humble opinion.

Hmm, haven't thought much about Lust until now, so this is pretty much spur of the moment...

1. I have no interest in het with her, because there's both
a) part of my brain screaming that men being seduced by the Sexy Sexy Danger is part of leftover stick-up-ass Christianity and other major religions attempts to make women out to be evil creatures who taint Good Upstanding Men and that it's not the pig's fault at all they got that bitch pregnant, she seduced me.
I know most FMA fans are not thinking like that at all, so I don't think badly of them at all, it just nags at me.
b) I just think the yuri would be infinitely hotter. Note to self: look for some Lust femslash.

2. Like the Nobodies in Kingdom Hearts, the homonculi are incomplete beings who had no choice in their creation, and simply want to feel whole again.
But I don't feel very bad for them, because they do really horrible things for that end.

3. While the porn could be really hot, part of Lust is the unfulfillment. People go after what's out of their reach, so actualling having sex with someone has the chance of lessening Lust's power over them, and I don't know if she'd be willing to do that. Might get people close though, leave them begging for more, without letting them achieve orgasm.

Another! Saiyuki's Sanzo.
Sunday, April 6th, 2008 07:07 am (UTC)
Yep, I was the one who said there are probably bigger cities around, and I can see Katara at one of those for a while, but I do think she got nicely infected with wanderlust and a need to have a purpose.


Elizabeth Swann-Turner is more bad-ass than Will and Jack put together, in my not-so-humble opinion.


Hell yeah.

I agree with most of what you said about Lust (have you checked out my memories? because there is some Lust/Maria in there that is just scorching) and I do think she's a bit of a tease - it's all about what you MIGHT get, not what you actually do.

Sanzo:

1.) Not that sexy. While he may be pretty, he's a pain in the ass.

2.) Loves Goku, but it's not sexual, and he'd kill anyone who said it was.

3.) Is not sexually attracted to ANYONE, and considers masturbation the same way he looks at being hungry.

For you: Gojyo.
Sunday, April 6th, 2008 07:50 am (UTC)
Oooooooh, I shall have to check your memories then.

Gojyo, hmmm...(most of these are pretty loose, and may contradict eachother)
1. Not that great in bed. Puts on a good show, but hasn't slept with as many women as he claims.
2. Submissive. Enjoys the chase, flirting, but lets the partner take charge during sex.
3. Self-destructive in the past, but not so much anymore. The group, especially Hakkai, is a reason for him to preserve his own life. The group all claims they like that they don't have to worry about the others dying on them, but I think they're lying to us. Well, Sanzo might not be. Odds are if it wasn't for the group, he'd be dead in a few years.

For you: who haven't we done? Hakkai!
Monday, April 7th, 2008 06:55 am (UTC)
2: total word.I totally believe he let's his partner call the shots.

Hakkai:

1.) Is not that great a cook. He's just far, far better than anyone else in the ikkou.

2.) Knows that his obsession with keeping everything perfectly clean is a neruosis, but it's a useful neruosis, so he'll keep it, if it's just the same to you.

3.) takes his coffee sweet and black.
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Saturday, April 5th, 2008 05:16 pm (UTC)
Awesome!
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Saturday, April 5th, 2008 05:18 pm (UTC)
Oh, exactly.

He was heartbroken and furious over the fact that Azula had her.
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Saturday, April 5th, 2008 05:16 pm (UTC)
1.) I find him one of the more boring characters on Avatar, in particular because he doesn't really have a dark side, and I don't find that interesting. (I don't think the Avatar State counts, because it's something that imposed on him.

2.) I really hate the 'you must give up what you love to control you power trope', and I hope that M & B don't go that route, regardless of how easy that might make shipping Katara and Zuko. Also, I think that at this point, his chakra is blocked because of what Azula did physically, and not the fact that he's insanely in love with Katara.
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Sunday, April 6th, 2008 02:22 am (UTC)
I think having the chosen one being this easy going kid is actually a good storytelling more - it's just a character type that does nothing for me, and since chosen one characters are, by their very nature, hard to pull off (for me, your milage may vary), I like having 2 character tropes I'm not usually thrilled about in one. ^_^ Leaves me free to fangirl all the great characters around Aang.