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redbrunja ([personal profile] redbrunja) wrote2008-06-18 12:26 am
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I'm So Tired Of Being Tired

I swear, right now, I want to quit fandom.

No, there is nothing hugely dramatic prompting this. I am just so, so weary of the ingrained sexism and the fandom drama and the female character hate and the shipping wars.

I feel like declaring that after July, I'm going to go back to western tv and liveaction fandoms, because when two very different mangakas annoy me in exactly the same way in one fucking evening, and my own over-investment in a pairing + spoilers + the damn fandom itself is threatening to ruin the show that ruined me for anime....

Something is very wrong here.

(And then I remember that my previous happy skippy live action comedy show is killing my love, as is my current sci-fi drama, my last sci-fi drama betrayed me horribly, and my last girl-centric show was torturous near the end, and I realize I'm going to need to go back to reading books and give myself time to let the wounds heal.)

[identity profile] meganbmoore.livejournal.com 2008-06-18 07:49 am (UTC)(link)
Oh, where do I start...

A) What mangakas did what where? I have a deep suspicion we share at least one.

B) This is why I try to avoid fandoms. And, frankly, fandoms shipping wars and the way it takes it out of female characters is a large part of WHY I have a lot of the opinions on fanon that I do. I'd rather sit in my corner and squee at the sane ones I grabbed as they wandered by than deal with the drama. When I do pay attention to fandoms, i just go to my ranty place.

C) What show ruined you for anime, and what's it doing to you?

D) Any chance on a rundown of the shows mentioned(I'm assuming BSG is the scifi drama that betrayed you horribly)?

[identity profile] redbrunja.livejournal.com 2008-06-18 03:54 pm (UTC)(link)
A.) We do. And I'll be detailing this in the review posts that I'm writing tonight.

B.) In the normal run of things, I love fandom. Which is why I can get so hurt by it.

C.) Avatar. Need I say more?

D.) How I Met Your Mother is slowly killing my love (longer post once I finally finish the third season), current sci-fi drama is Farscape, last sci-fi drama is BSG, girlcentric drama was Alias.

[identity profile] meganbmoore.livejournal.com 2008-06-18 06:43 pm (UTC)(link)
I realized it was Avatar right after I commented, but I was too busy going to bed to correct myself.

I've only seen one season of Farscape(I plan to watch the next) but I do know a couple people with even stronger feminist sensibilities than us who love it to pieces.

[identity profile] redbrunja.livejournal.com 2008-06-18 10:03 pm (UTC)(link)
WIth farscape, the feminist sensabilities are not the real problem. Do you care about spoilers? In short, there are two plotlines going on at once point, and the plotline with the hero SUCKS SO HARDCORE and the plotline with the heroine is UNMITIGATED AWESOME and they're about to join up, and we're headdesking because of choices the writers made/are making.

SPOILERS BELOW:









Due to sci-fi things happening, there were two version of the hero existing. Both the same character, except due to the situation, the hero with the heroine was AWESOME and the hero not with the heroine was A WHINY, SELFISH, SELF-ABSORBED ASS WHO WE HATED AND COULD NEVER DESERVE THE HEROINE and the flawed but awesome hero was the one who got killed off.

[identity profile] meganbmoore.livejournal.com 2008-06-18 10:06 pm (UTC)(link)
*skips spoilers*

I have heard of the "John vs John over Aeryn" thing before.

[identity profile] redbrunja.livejournal.com 2008-06-18 10:08 pm (UTC)(link)
It's awful. And not just because right where we are, as soon as you know which plotline you're in, you know if you're going to have an awesome, awesome episode or spend forty minutes wishing it was over.

[identity profile] meganbmoore.livejournal.com 2008-06-19 03:00 am (UTC)(link)
Ah. I think most of my friends were most concerned that Aeryn end up with A John, not so much which John. Kind of like how a lot of Tsubasa fans mostly just care that Sakura end up with a Syaoran, not which (whereas, while both Syaorans are awesome in very different ways, I have very specific ideas about that.)

[identity profile] redbrunja.livejournal.com 2008-06-20 01:12 am (UTC)(link)
No! Nobody deserves B John! You have A plot John, and another awesome character who loves Aeryn... there is no reason she should be with B John who sucks.