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So, I crossed the line twice in making a Kakashi/Twilight reference (I know). As penance, nimblnymph, here is some nice.... well, it's porny Ino x Sakura to wash the taste out of your mouth.
Title: You Know I'm No Good
Author: redbrunja
Fandom: Naruto
Rating: NC-17
Warning: issues of consent.
Pairings: Ino/Sakura, Sakura/Kiba.
Summary: It's all Sakura's fault.
It was all Sakura's fault.
When they'd become roommates, Ino hadn't signed up for being there when Sakura dragged boys - freaking Kiba of all people and that stupid moustache that he thought made him look older- back into her room.
It didn't matter how quiet Sakura tried to be, how she tried to muffle those little needy sounds, her panting, when Ino was standing against the dividing wall between their bedrooms, she could hear every single thing.
Kiba didn't even try to be quiet - he grunted unrestrictedly each time he slammed Sakura's headboard against the wall, even when Sakura tried to shush him before forgoing that for mumbling more-more-more-please into either his shoulder or her pillow.
By the time they were done, Ino's stomach was sour with jealousy, her thighs clenched tight together and panties damp.
She'd go to the kitchen to let miserable tears squeeze out from between her eyelids (there was no way she was going to cry in either her room or the bathroom - both were adjacent to Sakura's bedroom - while Kiba was lolling about in Sakura's bed) and then one day that bastard waltzed in in a pair of red boxes that Sakura had bought.
Ino kept her back to him, pretended to be sorting the dry dishes.
"Hey Ino," he said in this smug, pseudo-casual voice and Ino snapped.
Without even thinking, she whirled around, hands flashing into the sign for her family's jutsu.
She caught her own body before before it hit the hard linoleum floor (it had been years since she expected Shikamaru to). While she carried it to the couch, she should've been thinking about how this was an abuse, a misuse of her gifts. Ino wasn't. She was thinking about Sakura all curled up in her bed, covers pulled up to teasingly cover naked skin.
Ino did pause, though. She spent an entire five minutes precisely shaving away Kiba's moustache, making sure to moisturize the skin afterwards.
Having a penis was one thing but Ino was not about to kiss Sakura with a clump of hair dangling over her upper lip.
She slipped into Sakura's room and her friend didn't even stir. Sakura didn't wake until Ino nuzzled her neck, kissed softly, working her way from the curve of Sakura's neck to her lips.
"Hey, baby," she whispered huskily.
"You shaved." Sakura sounded sleepily delighted.
"Yeah," Ino breathed, sliding a hand down between Sakura's thighs. She was still damp from her and Kiba's previous rutting but Ino didn't get sloppy. She carefully parted Sakura's folds, circled clit with her thumb, loving the way Sakura jerked against her. She listened, waiting until Sakura's breathing was quick and then stopped.
Sakura's breath caught a little in disappointment, even as she spread her legs wider. Ino didn't penetrate her, though. She pulled the covers back, baring Sakura's long torso, the inverted triangle of cotton-candy hair between her legs. Sakura blushed, face matching her flushed nipples.
"What are you doing?" she asked, crossing her arms over her chest protectively.
Ino grabbed her ankles, pulled Sakura to the edge of the bed.
"Something I've wanted to do for a long time," she whispered.
"But-"
"Lie back." Ino pulled Sakura's arms away from her chest.
Sakura did.
Ino ate her out. She sucked at Sakura's clit, teased it, her tongue stroking Sakura's slit from bottom to top, swallowing down her juices, penetrating her with tongue and fingers and after Sakura (oh, please, oh there god I'm so-) climaxed Ino fucked her with the insistent cock pressing on her belly. She rolled Sakura to her stomach and took her like that, stabbing into her over and over while Sakura slammed her hips back to meet each stroke, moaning wantonly as Ino told her what a fucking tease she was, acting so damn platonic every day when she really wanted this, wanted this, this, this.
Title: You Know I'm No Good
Author: redbrunja
Fandom: Naruto
Rating: NC-17
Warning: issues of consent.
Pairings: Ino/Sakura, Sakura/Kiba.
Summary: It's all Sakura's fault.
It was all Sakura's fault.
When they'd become roommates, Ino hadn't signed up for being there when Sakura dragged boys - freaking Kiba of all people and that stupid moustache that he thought made him look older- back into her room.
It didn't matter how quiet Sakura tried to be, how she tried to muffle those little needy sounds, her panting, when Ino was standing against the dividing wall between their bedrooms, she could hear every single thing.
Kiba didn't even try to be quiet - he grunted unrestrictedly each time he slammed Sakura's headboard against the wall, even when Sakura tried to shush him before forgoing that for mumbling more-more-more-please into either his shoulder or her pillow.
By the time they were done, Ino's stomach was sour with jealousy, her thighs clenched tight together and panties damp.
She'd go to the kitchen to let miserable tears squeeze out from between her eyelids (there was no way she was going to cry in either her room or the bathroom - both were adjacent to Sakura's bedroom - while Kiba was lolling about in Sakura's bed) and then one day that bastard waltzed in in a pair of red boxes that Sakura had bought.
Ino kept her back to him, pretended to be sorting the dry dishes.
"Hey Ino," he said in this smug, pseudo-casual voice and Ino snapped.
Without even thinking, she whirled around, hands flashing into the sign for her family's jutsu.
She caught her own body before before it hit the hard linoleum floor (it had been years since she expected Shikamaru to). While she carried it to the couch, she should've been thinking about how this was an abuse, a misuse of her gifts. Ino wasn't. She was thinking about Sakura all curled up in her bed, covers pulled up to teasingly cover naked skin.
Ino did pause, though. She spent an entire five minutes precisely shaving away Kiba's moustache, making sure to moisturize the skin afterwards.
Having a penis was one thing but Ino was not about to kiss Sakura with a clump of hair dangling over her upper lip.
She slipped into Sakura's room and her friend didn't even stir. Sakura didn't wake until Ino nuzzled her neck, kissed softly, working her way from the curve of Sakura's neck to her lips.
"Hey, baby," she whispered huskily.
"You shaved." Sakura sounded sleepily delighted.
"Yeah," Ino breathed, sliding a hand down between Sakura's thighs. She was still damp from her and Kiba's previous rutting but Ino didn't get sloppy. She carefully parted Sakura's folds, circled clit with her thumb, loving the way Sakura jerked against her. She listened, waiting until Sakura's breathing was quick and then stopped.
Sakura's breath caught a little in disappointment, even as she spread her legs wider. Ino didn't penetrate her, though. She pulled the covers back, baring Sakura's long torso, the inverted triangle of cotton-candy hair between her legs. Sakura blushed, face matching her flushed nipples.
"What are you doing?" she asked, crossing her arms over her chest protectively.
Ino grabbed her ankles, pulled Sakura to the edge of the bed.
"Something I've wanted to do for a long time," she whispered.
"But-"
"Lie back." Ino pulled Sakura's arms away from her chest.
Sakura did.
Ino ate her out. She sucked at Sakura's clit, teased it, her tongue stroking Sakura's slit from bottom to top, swallowing down her juices, penetrating her with tongue and fingers and after Sakura (oh, please, oh there god I'm so-) climaxed Ino fucked her with the insistent cock pressing on her belly. She rolled Sakura to her stomach and took her like that, stabbing into her over and over while Sakura slammed her hips back to meet each stroke, moaning wantonly as Ino told her what a fucking tease she was, acting so damn platonic every day when she really wanted this, wanted this, this, this.
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Oops. I totally forgot about Kiba. That's blush-worthy right there. And I do tend to see Ino as having really screw ideas about consent - there was one fic I wrote with her and Karin where Ino is in her mind but Karin is still sort of there, and Ino 'masturbates' but has a line about how cutting Karin's hair would have crossed a line. So, yeah, I can easily see Ino being desensitize to consent.
And you have a good point about what someone finds sexy not automatically conforming to what they believe politically or socially.
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I think I remember reading that fic - it was pretty hot too. I kinda like this take on Ino - it's dark and kind of sexy in a twisted way.
And you have a good point about what someone finds sexy not automatically conforming to what they believe politically or socially.
Yeah, what we (fandom in general, people in general) find sexy can be pretty screwed up if you look at it from a political / social standpoint - especially rape/noncon/forced seduction. I've seen interesting argument, re: noncon and how it fits into a feminist viewpoint: which is, is it really feminist to say to women that what turns them on is sick and screwed up and not really theirs but a product of their society? (Rape/noncon being said to be one of the most prevalent fantasies of women) Or does that just recall the days when nearly anything that turned women on was sick and wrong (except for the heterosexual babymakin').
On the other hand, I had a conversation with
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She sounds like a damn smart lady.
Actually, would you mind further discussion on rape/dubcon in fiction? Because it's something I've been wondering about. Like, I've read the 'women gets sex/sexual pleasure but doesn't have to ASK for it, thus avoiding the stimaga of being called a 'slut' which, to me, makes a lot of sense, but I've also heard people do, 'it's not that simple' and then not elaborate. So, what is your take on the prevalence of rape fantasies?
It's kinda reminds me of slash - I don't want to villify something that's written by women for women to take pleasure from, but I find it terribly odd that something that is by and for women has no actually representation of the female body in it. Especially when you get things like mpreg being so popular, so it reads like, 'I want to write a women only with a penis' which is.... something to talk about, imho.
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No I wouldn't mind further discussion at all. It's actually a really interesting subject to me since it's a fantasy that I enjoy...well, I'm more into the dubcon / forced seduction than the outright rape since if the woman doesn't ever enjoy it to any degree, I mean, it's hardly a turn-on. I've heard that theory as well, and it makes sense to a point; still though I think that simplifies it to a matter of "society made us like it!" which bothers me a bit; though of course society shapes our psyches & sexuality a shitfuckton and more women seem to have the fantasy of being raped than do men, certainly that must have to do with society.
The other theory on it that I've heard goes off the fact that hey, this is fantasy. Women who fantasize about rape don't actually want to be raped; they don't want to have NO FUCKING CONTROL over what is happening. The creator of the rape fantasy is in absolute control over a fantasy version of an act that by definition takes away all her control. And hey, this act is something that is way too real in women's lives - I've heard statistics like 1 in 4? US women will be sexually assaulted in their lives. (Not to be all TMI here, but since it goes along with the discussion, I'll mention that it almost happened to me - I wasn't raped but I gave a guy a blowjob because I knew he would rape me if I didn't, and I think on some subconscious level I recognized that that was the only way to maintain some control in the situation). If a writer hasn't personally been assaulted most likely a friend or family member has been. So, the theory goes, this is a way to assert control over a fear that hits close to home.
I've also heard a theory (this one spoken re: old skool romances being chockfull of forced seduction and even outright rape) that the fantasy is that the man is so overcome by desire that he can't stop even if she says no. Real rape is more about expressing power via sex than actual desire, but this IS fantasy.
My favorite theory is the subversion of fear / power dynamics that go along with dubcon / forced seduction / rape fantasies.-I'm guessing that's part of why I personally like a bit of dubcon now and again. But we are talking about a lot of women, so I'm sure that it's impossible to explain with one tidy theory. And then there are men with rape fantasies, by which I mean men who fantasize about being raped - of course men are raped, but they don't grow up with the same atmosphere of fear of rape that women do. So what is that about? Is it linked to the same thing that leads some successful dominant men to seek out dominatrixes?
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Then this is a side topic, but there's the flipside - men who fantasize about raping/forcefully seducing in the same totally fantasy way that we're talking about women fantasizing about being raped. How do you feel about that / how do I feel about that? If we're going to absolve women's fantasies (so long as we bother to think about it instead of going "GOD THIS IS SO HAWT" & RAPEY) in this matter, then do we also absolve men their fantasies so long as it stays fantasy? After all, we as human beings feel enough shame about our sexual desires / should we add to it? Whatever your answer is here, would you feel the same way if I asked it about women who fantasize about raping, rather than being raped? Just questions for discussion if you want; I'm not entirely sure what my answers are to them anyway, it's just thoughts I've had on the subject; and really I'm getting off track here so I will wrap it up.
And yes, slash is something else to talk about. I have to wonder about the lack of the female body in porn written for women. I want to think about it as the straight female equivalent of the girl-on-girl porn that your average straight male wanks to: that if a woman is turned on by a guy, then two guys together is even better! and hey, there's no pussy in between them to distract from the hot guy-on-guy. That explanation being the gender flipped version of how I've heard guys explain their love of girl-on-girl. But then this explanation doesn't account for the misogyny that you see in a lot of slash.
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I think it's such a broad and complex issue that there is no one answer to it - but speaking personally, the ideat that it's a way to subvert and gain control over a fear the women live with daily really clicks(I have been very, very lucky so far, but I'm also very very aware - I've taken martial arts classes, I walk with my keys between my fingers at night, I pay attention to who's walking being me - it's really not something you can escape from).
I've also heard a theory (this one spoken re: old skool romances being chockfull of forced seduction and even outright rape) that the fantasy is that the man is so overcome by desire that he can't stop even if she says no. Real rape is more about expressing power via sex than actual desire, but this IS fantasy.
I think this is less true; based on what I've read, a persistent dynamic is the 'I'm going to FORCE you to feel this sexual pleasure' which is a different dynamic than 'I love you so much I can't stop.'
And then there are men with rape fantasies, by which I mean men who fantasize about being raped - of course men are raped, but they don't grow up with the same atmosphere of fear of rape that women do. So what is that about? Is it linked to the same thing that leads some successful dominant men to seek out dominatrixes?
I'd say yes; from what I've seen in our culture, in a lot of ways, men are expected to be good at sex, to be sauve, to know what to do in a way women aren't (when's the last time you say a virginal GUY being taught by the in control, experienced woman?). So a rape fantasy would be a way out of that; suddenly THEY'RE no longer responsible for either their own or their partner's sexual satisfaction.
men who fantasize about raping/forcefully seducing in the same totally fantasy way that we're talking about women fantasizing about being raped. How do you feel about that / how do I feel about that? If we're going to absolve women's fantasies (so long as we bother to think about it instead of going "GOD THIS IS SO HAWT" & RAPEY) in this matter, then do we also absolve men their fantasies so long as it stays fantasy? After all, we as human beings feel enough shame about our sexual desires / should we add to it? Whatever your answer is here, would you feel the same way if I asked it about women who fantasize about raping, rather than being raped?
As long as it stays a fantasy or they choose willing partners who consent, then no, I don't think we can automatically judge men or women from having fantasies where they're the rapist. I mean - I might personally be uncomfortable with that, and if, say, I'm dating a guy with those fantasies I'm not obligated to stick around, but I don't think that get to automatically judge other people's fantasies just because it squicks us, you know?
And I'm a firm believer in thought-freedom. Fantasizing about killing someone is not murder; fantasing about rape is not rape.
(And I did some editing with my words here. I originally had 'thinking' instead of 'fantasizing' which I found problematic - I wanted to be clear on the difference between something that was going to stay in one's own head and something that one is pondering and might become a desire that is acted on. Like, plotting out how you're going to rape someone is far, far different than fantasizing about it.)
that if a woman is turned on by a guy, then two guys together is even better! and hey, there's no pussy in between them to distract from the hot guy-on-guy. That explanation being the gender flipped version of how I've heard guys explain their love of girl-on-girl. But then this explanation doesn't account for the misogyny that you see in a lot of slash.
The key difference between straight men and lesbians and slash (from what I understand) is that often men like lesbians because they can mentally insert themselves between the two; which is not what's happening with slash, where writers often seem to want to divest the proceeding from the female body. So... I don't think it fuctions in the same way that girl-on-girl works for a guy.
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Yeah that's more or less my thoughts on the subject. I think fantasy and eroticization is one way humans handle complex or emotionally loaded subjects, especially issues of power, consent, and control. And even though I like dubcon, the kind I like best isn't just straight up overpowering of whoever is being dubiously fucked. I like my dubious power dynamics with a little ambiguity, not just straight up "she's submitting to him / being overpowered or taken by him".
The key difference between straight men and lesbians and slash (from what I understand) is that often men like lesbians because they can mentally insert themselves between the two; which is not what's happening with slash, where writers often seem to want to divest the proceeding from the female body. So... I don't think it fuctions in the same way that girl-on-girl works for a guy.
Well, "women who are into slash" is just as diverse a group as "women who have rape/dubcon fantasies" so I think some women must be into slash for similar reasons as guys are into girl-on-girl. Certainly not all slash contains misogyny. Sidetrack: I think that the trend of MFM fiction from online romance publishers might be a better analogy to men & their girl-on-girl porn - the MM is there for the enjoyment of the woman / female readers, the F is a placeholder where the female reader can insert herself between the two men. And these romances may not be awesome and feminist in their portrayal of every female character ever, but they certainly aren't female-hating - whatever their flaws may be, they are female-centric. I think it's one of the most interesting fiction trends in a long time.
Anyway, back to pure slash: but yeah, my experiences with slash have been more negative than positive, so I agree that many slash writers "seem to want to divest the proceeding from the female body". Might be immaturity - many fanfic writers are young. Might be self-hatred, or at least a distaste for other women that's troubling (like those women who would rather hang out with guys because "other women are so boring"). Even in its least troubling form, it's pretty alien to me - I like guyslash, but only if the dynamic is especially compelling or sexy; I can't just smush two guys together because "it's so hot!" (not that I don't like me some crack slash, but even then it's because of how hot I imagine the dynamic could be if it happened, not however hot the thrusting of Cock A into Ass B could be). But then, I'm just not all that turned on by imagining guy-on-guy sex, because it's not something I can relate to directly, having neither a cock or a prostate. And I'm into women. So I like having at least one woman present in my romance.
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Same. But I don't want to be all hoity-toity about it, going 'well, that little bit of difference makes me TOTALLY DIFFERENT from girls who just like straight up ravishment fantasies.' (Not that I think you saying that.)
Sidetrack: I think that the trend of MFM fiction from online romance publishers might be a better analogy to men & their girl-on-girl porn - the MM is there for the enjoyment of the woman / female readers, the F is a placeholder where the female reader can insert herself between the two men. And these romances may not be awesome and feminist in their portrayal of every female character ever, but they certainly aren't female-hating - whatever their flaws may be, they are female-centric. I think it's one of the most interesting fiction trends in a long time.
You know, I was completely unaware of this trend - I think you're right on the money.
*nods*
I'm the same way - I just don't find two men doing it sexy, so even if there is a dynamic that in a female/female or female/male couple I would want to see explored sexually, I'm just not interested when it's male/male.
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Oh yeah, definitely not trying to be all, "my kink is better than your kink / my pr0n is better than your pr0n!" <----this sentence SO sums up half of all fandom shitfits.
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Also, she wrote the first Kakashi/Sakura (sort of) that I ever read, though it is also SakuNaru and SakuLee and SakuIno (all sort of) but mostly just Sakura-centric. It was written ages ago, before badass fighter Sakura became canon, and sort of runs with "so, what if Sakura never becomes an awesome fighter" and is also heavily AU 'cause Sasuke never leaves, but all the while is a cool portrayal of a woman who is not a badass fighter but still definitely worthwhile. It's here http://www.fanfiction.net/s/2079854/1/Bell_Jars if you want to check it out.
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Cool. And yeah, I've read Bell Jars - it's an amazing fic, even if I have some problems with it (mainly, I read in with a bunch of other 'Sakura would be happier if she wasn't a ninja fics' and I'm like, 'yeah, you could say that about EVERY SINGLE CHARACTER IN NARUTO.')