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Okay, so when people use to word "lover" for during a one-night-stand fic or for the first time they have sexy fic, it really throws me out.
To me, lover implies both an on-going sexual relationship AND a certain degree of affection and using it when the people are having sex for the first time and/or don't like each other all that much... really doesn't work for me.
Is this true for anyone else?
To me, lover implies both an on-going sexual relationship AND a certain degree of affection and using it when the people are having sex for the first time and/or don't like each other all that much... really doesn't work for me.
Is this true for anyone else?
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I'm nit picky about the word to a fault, often correcting my room mate when he uses the word to describe men his girlfriend cheated on past boyfriends with. The relationships she got herself into weren't based on love, more based on sexual fulfillment. Regardless of how many times she slept with them.
Sex doesn't always equal love and love does not always equal sex.
Sometimes it does ruin a fiction when they finish doing the deed and the characters/author's after thoughts are to refer to or call them their lover.
I could go on more, but that's take up to much room on the comments for your page, I'll just end it here. :)
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Exactly.
Sometimes it does ruin a fiction when they finish doing the deed and the characters/author's after thoughts are to refer to or call them their lover.
If I'm enjoying a fanfic that won't ruin it for me, but it will throw me out of the narrative.
And never worry about having a comment that is too long with me. ^_^
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I also get twitchy with people who use "making love" for sex scenes that have nothing at all to do with *love.* I go too far in the opposite direction, though--I'm more likely to use "fucking" than "making love," even when the characters *do* love one another.
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*nods* If it's clear that they love each other, it's one thing, but when they're stumbling into a relationship and it's still very new? It doesn't work for me as much.
What ultimately peeves me are when authors use the word "lover" in a hatesex fic
Ack! That would totally not work.
I believe in lust at first sight; love takes way more than a glance
Same. There is NO WAY you can know who someone really is in a look - and I think you need that knowing to be in love.
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I'm also particularly picky about words used to describe the act itself - are they sleeping together, making love, fucking, etc.? While there are exceptions, I really don't think the terms are interchangable. :/
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Well said. And you're right about words for the act itself - each word has a different connotation and while I think most couples have a wide variety of different kinds of sex (i.e., one day it's fucking the next it's making love the next a quickie screw) I agree the terms aren't interchangable.
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The characters do
love melove each other! They are just hiding it from each other.I think the inappropriate word usage stems from the author's projections, like with most fan fiction, than any literary device. It's that and other subtle differences that tell you whose story is a work of fiction and whose story is a work of fantasy. A work of fiction will follow a logical progression even if it leads to trouble whereas a work of fantasy shows no consideration for this.
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Agreed. I think the author is projecting love on characters who might not feel that way, and it's not quite working.
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I tend to use it in fic for couples in a relationship - to me it sounds better than boyfriend or girlfriend, especially where one (usually the guy) would probably object to the term...like Kakashi or Itachi.
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Yeah, where it's supported by a relationship it works for me - especially if it's a relationship where boy/girlfriend would sound juvenile it really works. One-night druken cheat or just-sex one shot thing? Not so much.
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I've read certain characters other years that I have read that took X in as his/her lover, which I found pretty damn odd. "Taking someone in as his/her lover" implied some kind of employment, which make sound like the most unromantic description of an illicit affair ever.
I actually had a humorous scene in my uber-dramatic Beast Wars fanfic that pretty much takes apart what makes the definition of a lover, even though they already have a canon character that does that.
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It DEFINITELY implies that there are some serious economic (and possibly class) disparity in that relationship. Which could be cool, if explored properly.
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There's a reason there's so many different ways to describe sex and all that's involved! It doesn't mean that your smutfic should read like a slang thesaurus, but there are words that shouldn't be used.
I'm trying to think of what one should use instead, if they were insistent on not using s/he or their name. "Partner" would be problematic, I think, but would be the best choice I can think of.
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I mean hell, I have two characters who started off screwing, accidentally fell in love, and are so twitchy about referring to feelings that if you suggested hey, maybe you two are lovers, they would gut you without a second thought. (well, he would gut you. she would probably just stare at you blankly, and then say, "please never say that again." and if you did say it again, then she would gut you.)
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