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[redbrunja]

Slash/Yaoi Misogyny Bingo

Prompted by the example of EPIC FAIL that was one the Star Trek Kink meme earlier.

Tangentially, this makes me want to type up my Het/Yaoi/Femmeslash Post: the different ways in which they all fail post.

Comments

[qualapec.livejournal.com]

"She's just there to keep the conservative parents happy."

Um...WTF?

I would like to read that post. One of the things that always bugs me is how people will often single out slash/yaoi as, by its very nature, misogynistic. Despite the fact that the majority of the fanbase is female and enjoys it. At the same time, they refuse to mention that men watching girl/girl stuff is not generally considered misandry.

[meganbmoore.livejournal.com]

I suspect that part of it is that men who enjoy f/f will typically just say "because I think it's hot," instead of coming up with reasons that are "more important." This ties into a lot of problems, not the least of which is that male sexuality is ok but female sexuality is still regarded as something that has a degree of secrecy and/or shame associated with it, and the fact that men are conditioned to see other men as buddies, whereas women are conditioned to see other women as competition, usually for men. This is all passive, and not something that people think about or realize when they tell their sons not to get into trouble with the other boys while they tell their daughters that they're prettier than all the other girls and the boys will love them.

Cultural misogyny is very ingrained and is something difficult for people to see because the result is what people consider to be "normality," but it tends to emerge in all areas of fandom, both obviously and subversively. Both kinds, however, tend to emerge more in slash than elsewhere, with all the various kinds of cultural misogyny tending to come together on both sides of the fence more than they do elsewhere.

At the core, m/m/, f/m and f/f are neutral zones in terms of whether or not there's and sexism involved, it's the attitudes they're approached with, and received by, that become problematic.

[redbrunja.livejournal.com]

One of the things that always bugs me is how people will often single out slash/yaoi as, by its very nature, misogynistic. Despite the fact that the majority of the fanbase is female and enjoys it.

Well, I think that slash tends to skew towards misogyny when it goes bad in a way that femmeslash doesn't skew towards misandry. That said, very few things are, by their nature, misogynistic. It really depends on what is being written and why.

[birdsarecalling.livejournal.com]

Ugh. So glad I decided to stay away from STXI fandom. I had my fill of Die For Our Ship when I was into Martha from Dr. Who.

The truly sad thing is that fandom isn't any less full of fail than the rest of society. People's tastes, biases, and prejudices simply become more apparent when they actively engage with the fiction they consume.

[redbrunja.livejournal.com]

The truly sad thing is that fandom isn't any less full of fail than the rest of society. People's tastes, biases, and prejudices simply become more apparent when they actively engage with the fiction they consume.

Sadly true. If you want to avoid the nasty bits of the new!Trek fandom, I'd suggest where_no_woman. It's fantastic.