Will Schuester has never been a good teacher, as far as I can tell. I like Quinn both sweet and bitchy, but I'm really loving the development of Mercedes/Quinn BFFness.
I'd have liked something, too, but this is Glee and I've long given up on expecting the writers to show us any actual depth into relationships that aren't Rachel/Finn/whoever-it-is-this-week, Will/Emma/whoever-it-is-this-week, or Kurt and his father. Which is really a shame sometimes.
I'd have liked something, too, but this is Glee and I've long given up on expecting the writers to show us any actual depth into relationships that aren't Rachel/Finn/whoever-it-is-this-week, Will/Emma/whoever-it-is-this-week, or Kurt and his father. Which is really a shame sometimes.
This this this THIS THIS. THIIIIIIIIIIIIIIS. After last night's episode I was complaining to my best friend about how Glee sucks and she was like, sometimes I think you get too invested in things, and my mental response was I just love so many of the characters (damn youuuuuuuuuuuuu fanfiction!) I want them to be treated like characters and not just playthings tossed from plotline to plotline without any regard for anything.
Granted, I came to the show after falling for its fanfic, and it was a while before I was able to watch all the musical numbers in an episode. Basically, my head contains a canon for the show, and I ignore the inconsistencies and explain them away as inter-writer hatred. I think the writers just go out of their way to deliberately sabotage each other's favorite storylines.
(Example: One of them must love Puck/Quinn, while someone else thinks it's the worst idea ever. One assumes that everyone knows Puck and Quinn are living together after Sectionals, but since no one says anything, Someone Else decides to sneak in a line about how Puck's mom won't let her eat bacon. So One tacks on a storyline and has Puck devote an entire musical number to giving the baby a proper name, and Someone Else retaliates by having Quinn move in with Mercedes. Oh, the blood that must be shed during those brainstorming sessions...)
(I think at this point I have officially spent too long thinking about this show.)
Also, question for the world: Does Shelby know how her Vocal Adrenaline decided to psych out her daughter's show choir?
I think the writers just go out of their way to deliberately sabotage each other's favorite storylines.
(Example: One of them must love Puck/Quinn, while someone else thinks it's the worst idea ever. One assumes that everyone knows Puck and Quinn are living together after Sectionals, but since no one says anything, Someone Else decides to sneak in a line about how Puck's mom won't let her eat bacon. So One tacks on a storyline and has Puck devote an entire musical number to giving the baby a proper name, and Someone Else retaliates by having Quinn move in with Mercedes. Oh, the blood that must be shed during those brainstorming sessions...)
THIS. THIS. THIS.
This is the most logical and realistic reasoning for Glee's inconsistencies with relationships I have ever heard. IT MAKES SO MUCH SENSE. That is probably why every other episode seems to be shipping a different couple or putting emphasis on different relationships, and why Jesse was EVIL! Best boyfriend ever! Evil!
Also, question for the world: Does Shelby know how her Vocal Adrenaline decided to psych out her daughter's show choir?
Does she know how close Jesse came to deflowering her daughter? Inquiring minds want to know.
Will is one of the reasons I can't get into Glee. That scene where he found out his wife was lying about the pregnancy was awful. Yes, what she was doing was really bad, but pinning your spouse to the wall and violently ripping off her fake-pregnancy belt from under her clothes... I gave up on Glee after that scene, but I'm giving it another chance. The show seems better now, but dammit, how the hell do you root for the guy?
What? Quinn's bitchy is gone?! But she was one of the few characters I actually liked! D:
I know a lot of people had problems with that scene, but quite frankly, I didn't. Will's reaction seemed pretty damn reasonable to me, considering she had, in a way, just killed the kid he thought he was having.
~Subtly sliding~ in here just to say that that scene nearly made me quit Glee all together, so I know how you feel. :( I assume the actor was going for intensity or something, but all I saw was something creepy and all kinds of DNW with how close it came to spousal abuse, imo. I haven't liked Will since, but I mostly watch for the kids and Sue Sylvester, not him and his ridiculous amounts of girl drama.
Everything Will did in this episode made me uncomfortable.
And I agree about Quinn. I like her having a sweet side, but that's all we see. We hear about her hurt and her anger but it's not really shown to us any more, and it's frustrating.
I could probably like it better if it were gradual character development over the course of more than one season. But it really feels more like now that the aspect of her storyline related to Finn is resolved, they are just going to let her stew on back burner unless they need her to share some snippet of wisdom about being popular or being pregnant.
I sort of hated that she was behind the Glist, but the episode really had nothing to do with her until the end when she was brought in pretty much just to teach the adult male character a lesson. I'm down with her being behind something like that, but I hate that even when she actually DID something bitchy it was entirely off screen and we still didn't see any of the anger that lead her to do it.
...I went off on a tangent. The way they've been dealing with Quinn lately is kind of a peeve of mine.
I could probably like it better if it were gradual character development over the course of more than one season. But it really feels more like now that the aspect of her storyline related to Finn is resolved, they are just going to let her stew on back burner unless they need her to share some snippet of wisdom about being popular or being pregnant.
Agreed. If we actually got to SEE how pregnancy mellow her (or made her peers treat her with venom) I would be totally on-board with sweet Quinn.
I'm down with her being behind something like that, but I hate that even when she actually DID something bitchy it was entirely off screen and we still didn't see any of the anger that lead her to do it.
...I went off on a tangent. The way they've been dealing with Quinn lately is kind of a peeve of mine.
Agreed. I am not thrilled with Quinn's arc either.
I felt like giving Sue a hug, even though I'm pretty sure that she'd immediately hit me for both the unprovoked physical contact and the unspoken assumption that she was weak.
It's probably a bad sign that this still doesn't mark it as the show with the most characters/writers I want to punch.
I don't. Frankly, I feel that this show is a bit of a broken aesop. I came away from this episode going 'Will, if you were going to sink to her level... at least stick to your guns.'
It's probably a bad sign that this still doesn't mark it as the show with the most characters/writers I want to punch.
Well, my sympathy for Sue is due to my realization why I am entertained by her antics rather than be pissed off by them as I would in others: Because she doesn't make anyone else look bad by association, doesn't claim her opinions are anything but the way she thinks the world should be.
Whereas if Glenn Beck decided to launch a pro-littering campaign because it's biblically correct and you should leave a church that doesn't follow his views of what is biblical, I would offer my sympathies to all Christians.
And the fact that she's fictional means you can offer yourself the comforting lie that no one is really that bad in the real world.
The punchiest show is FlashForward, which alternated between moments that purely worked and rang as true and moments that made you wonder how anyone could ever think the implemented plans would ever work. Between characters that you love and want to see more of and characters that were too stupid to live and should at least be fired. The writers had this idea for a huge overreaching arc, had it all planned out five seasons in advance, and because they didn't bother ensuring that people would want to tune in for the first season to see all the buildup it got axed.
*sigh* I would've watched an entire series about Keiko, but she only got four episodes. She was so awesome.
Also Desperate Housewives, which . . . I actually forget why I ever started watching, but it's more entertaining if you imagine all the chaos and high crime rates and horrible examples of humanity are due to Wisteria Lane being located on a Hellmouth.
The writers had this idea for a huge overreaching arc, had it all planned out five seasons in advance, and because they didn't bother ensuring that people would want to tune in for the first season to see all the buildup it got axed.
This sounds like people trying to copy the magic of Lost and no managing it.
Bingo. It was on ABC, and given that they were making it out to be something you had to watch for five seasons to ensure you figured out everything that was going on, it was fairly clear they were aiming for it to be the next Lost.
In one season, they managed to get most of the characters into the previously unlikely situations which they'd seen themselves in, and found out that someone had done it rather deliberately (but not why they'd do it to everyone on the planet, given the fatalities when it went down) but that was pretty much it. Not even any explanation for the kangaroo.
I...pretty much hated this entire episode. I'm probably not watching any more Glee, since it's coming to a point in which the character development for most of them is unbelievable and most of the characters are, to me, unlikable. I wanted to strangle a lot of XY chromosome people in this episode.
With these expectations, I am always happy! That way, when a brilliant episode like the Joss Whedon episode comes along, or a wonderful scene like the Kurt/Burt/Finn confrontation happens, I can be wonderfully surprised.
I don't see it as a show with a plot that includes song and dance numbers, I see it as a show about song and dance numbers that writes the plot around that. (ie, the only reason I think Jesse got the name he did was so that Finn could sing "Jesse's Girl.)
I pretty much only watch it for the choreography and song track. (I was in a fit of squee when Kurt sang Rose's Turn.)
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This this this THIS THIS. THIIIIIIIIIIIIIIS. After last night's episode I was complaining to my best friend about how Glee sucks and she was like, sometimes I think you get too invested in things, and my mental response was I just love so many of the characters (damn youuuuuuuuuuuuu fanfiction!) I want them to be treated like characters and not just playthings tossed from plotline to plotline without any regard for anything.
Granted, I came to the show after falling for its fanfic, and it was a while before I was able to watch all the musical numbers in an episode. Basically, my head contains a canon for the show, and I ignore the inconsistencies and explain them away as inter-writer hatred. I think the writers just go out of their way to deliberately sabotage each other's favorite storylines.
(Example: One of them must love Puck/Quinn, while someone else thinks it's the worst idea ever. One assumes that everyone knows Puck and Quinn are living together after Sectionals, but since no one says anything, Someone Else decides to sneak in a line about how Puck's mom won't let her eat bacon. So One tacks on a storyline and has Puck devote an entire musical number to giving the baby a proper name, and Someone Else retaliates by having Quinn move in with Mercedes. Oh, the blood that must be shed during those brainstorming sessions...)
(I think at this point I have officially spent too long thinking about this show.)
Also, question for the world: Does Shelby know how her Vocal Adrenaline decided to psych out her daughter's show choir?
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THIS. THIS. THIS.
This is the most logical and realistic reasoning for Glee's inconsistencies with relationships I have ever heard. IT MAKES SO MUCH SENSE. That is probably why every other episode seems to be shipping a different couple or putting emphasis on different relationships, and why Jesse was EVIL! Best boyfriend ever! Evil!
Does she know how close Jesse came to deflowering her daughter? Inquiring minds want to know.
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What? Quinn's bitchy is gone?! But she was one of the few characters I actually liked! D:
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considering she had, in a way, just killed the kid he thought he was having.
I never really thought of it that way. He had every right to be livid, and to express his anger, but not like that.
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"Write some original songs!"
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And I agree about Quinn. I like her having a sweet side, but that's all we see. We hear about her hurt and her anger but it's not really shown to us any more, and it's frustrating.
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I sort of hated that she was behind the Glist, but the episode really had nothing to do with her until the end when she was brought in pretty much just to teach the adult male character a lesson. I'm down with her being behind something like that, but I hate that even when she actually DID something bitchy it was entirely off screen and we still didn't see any of the anger that lead her to do it.
...I went off on a tangent. The way they've been dealing with Quinn lately is kind of a peeve of mine.
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Agreed. If we actually got to SEE how pregnancy mellow her (or made her peers treat her with venom) I would be totally on-board with sweet Quinn.
I'm down with her being behind something like that, but I hate that even when she actually DID something bitchy it was entirely off screen and we still didn't see any of the anger that lead her to do it.
...I went off on a tangent. The way they've been dealing with Quinn lately is kind of a peeve of mine.
Agreed. I am not thrilled with Quinn's arc either.
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It's probably a bad sign that this still doesn't mark it as the show with the most characters/writers I want to punch.
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It's probably a bad sign that this still doesn't mark it as the show with the most characters/writers I want to punch.
What show wins that honor?
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Whereas if Glenn Beck decided to launch a pro-littering campaign because it's biblically correct and you should leave a church that doesn't follow his views of what is biblical, I would offer my sympathies to all Christians.
And the fact that she's fictional means you can offer yourself the comforting lie that no one is really that bad in the real world.
The punchiest show is FlashForward, which alternated between moments that purely worked and rang as true and moments that made you wonder how anyone could ever think the implemented plans would ever work. Between characters that you love and want to see more of and characters that were too stupid to live and should at least be fired. The writers had this idea for a huge overreaching arc, had it all planned out five seasons in advance, and because they didn't bother ensuring that people would want to tune in for the first season to see all the buildup it got axed.
*sigh* I would've watched an entire series about Keiko, but she only got four episodes. She was so awesome.
Also Desperate Housewives, which . . . I actually forget why I ever started watching, but it's more entertaining if you imagine all the chaos and high crime rates and horrible examples of humanity are due to Wisteria Lane being located on a Hellmouth.
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This sounds like people trying to copy the magic of Lost and no managing it.
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In one season, they managed to get most of the characters into the previously unlikely situations which they'd seen themselves in, and found out that someone had done it rather deliberately (but not why they'd do it to everyone on the planet, given the fatalities when it went down) but that was pretty much it. Not even any explanation for the kangaroo.
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That wasn't obvious from the first episode?
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1. Jane Lynch
2. Synchronized song and dance.
With these expectations, I am always happy!
That way, when a brilliant episode like the Joss Whedon episode comes along, or a wonderful scene like the Kurt/Burt/Finn confrontation happens, I can be wonderfully surprised.
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I don't see it as a show with a plot that includes song and dance numbers, I see it as a show about song and dance numbers that writes the plot around that. (ie, the only reason I think Jesse got the name he did was so that Finn could sing "Jesse's Girl.)
I pretty much only watch it for the choreography and song track. (I was in a fit of squee when Kurt sang Rose's Turn.)
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I recently had the fridge moment. And was like, 'oh, SHOW.'