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[redbrunja]

I had a very successful if exhausting shopping trip ...technically yesterday. It involved a lot of driving and very little sleep but I got an awesome new phone and the Apple store managed to fix my computer in under a day AND compted the repair because I had a long wait while at the store to pick it up.

And then I came home to a new episode of Justified!

–I am giddy over the way Boyd/Ava played out. I love how straight Ava is with Boyd. She calls him on his actions and comes across as really adult. 

"You give me a reason to wake up in the morning. For that I'll be eternally grateful."
"Get out."

And then in the end of the episode she calls him Mr Crowder! That just delighted me. And I'll be frank, I expected Boyd to take the lead in this romance more than he did; in the end of the episode he's being very verbally emotionally honest but it's clearly Ava who lays one on him first. And then hugging at the end? To me, that so clearly showed how much they care about each other. (And if/when they have a sex scene, I am going to be VERY curious about how it's filmed. Watching the first season the show clearly showed the difference between Raylan's emotional investment in Ava versus Winona simply by how they filmed the love scenes, and I'm very curious about how they'd handle a Boyd/Ava sex scene. So show, get right on that, plz.) And also, I would ADORE the instrumental music that was playing as they kissed.
A hell of a lot of other stuff happened this episode but I'm tired and it's late so I'm just going to mention how much I loved the Mags and Helen scene. It reminded me of Winter's Bone in the level and respect it showed for the social power women in this society wield and the way in which they use it.

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Waving your guns at somebody new

[redbrunja.livejournal.com]

'm in a minority here from the state of the internet, and I'm probably driven at least a little bit out of perversity here. Most of fandom thinks she's an evil, stupid whore who doesn't appreciate Raylan, so I get to close reading every moment of season 2 to find reasons to love her and like her with Raylan.

I'm in a similar position. I don't like Winona 85% of the time but fandom's hate for her (and seriously, are people actually calling her a evil stupid whore? Sweet jesus) makes me feel obligated to like her. (And there are time I actually do.)

I'm passive agressively responding to general internet criticism here where none of those opinions have been expressed because that's how I roll.

Roll on.

Additionally, in further summation, Winona probably didn't hire the hitmen in this episode to bind Raylan to her more closely as you likewise never, ever asserted.

Do people actually think that? Wasn't it REALLY CLEAR that Gary had something to do with that?

think this is a function of how much he cares about Winona. Last season, there was a scene with Winona and Ava where Winona runs through all of Raylan's irritating over-protective behaviors, and from Ava's reactions, he's never been this way with Ava.

*nods* Yeah, I really liked that scene for how clearly it showed Raylan's different levels of affection for Winona and Ava. And I also enjoy that I couldn't tell if Winona was saying what she was because she felt a connection with Ava or because she wanted to twist an emotional knife in Ava's back.

Hot as he is (so, so hot), I would never get involved with Raylan Givens.

See, I totally would.

And I think part of the reason I have a hard time with Winona is that there are aspects of our personality (and the personality that I'm attracted to in fictional characters that are TOTALLY OPPOSITE. Which is to say, I'd totally jump Raylan Givens bones and while our hypothetical relationship would probably fail too, it would fail for a different reasons than that ones that have Winona and Raylan floundering around.

The thing that I like about their relationship is that it feels like a bad idea. The sex is great, they have a good time together, but they don't communicate well.

Here is my thing about Winona/Raylan: sometimes, I really like them. I like that they both love each other so much they can't stay away, I like that Winona doesn't have stars in her eyes for Raylan, I love that they can hurt each other epically, I love that Winona left.

Here is what I don't like: there are several times (usually relating to Raylan's job) where I go 'that is a relationship dealbreaker and neither of you are going to ever change enough to make that work.' For BONUS Do Not Like, as I mentioned, Winona is just not my kind of woman. And I'm not sure if that's just the character (it's not like they're aren't guys who just Aren't My Kind of Guys) or if the writer's are doing a bad job handling her character.

Re: Waving your guns at somebody new

[elizchris.livejournal.com]

Yeah, in terms of Winona, I have no problems with people disliking the character. I really dislike the reactions of people who respond to her as if she's responsible for Raylan's problems as well as her own. When people claim she made Raylan help her return the money or compromise his values, I wonder if we're watching the same show. When people say that they dislike the Winona/Raylan relationship because of what it does to Raylan's character, I can t agree, but I can treat it as a YMMV situation.

I'm definitely giving the writers the benefit of the doubt when I say that I like Winona as a character. With the way she's been written, Winona could be someone I'd genuinely like in full on my life is skidding out of control mode (I have dear and intelligent friends who've had years long relationships with men nearly as bad as Gary.), someone I find fascinating to watch on television but wouldn't want anywhere near me in real life, or someone who's a badly written cipher that's an unfortunate exception on Justified.

In closing, is it Wednesday yet?

Re: Waving your guns at somebody new

[redbrunja.livejournal.com]

I really dislike the reactions of people who respond to her as if she's responsible for Raylan's problems as well as her own. When people claim she made Raylan help her return the money or compromise his values, I wonder if we're watching the same show.

Oh, honey, no. Did they pay any attention to the first season? Where Raylan made bad choices because of his attraction to Ava or was completely emotionally strung out dealing with his father? Or, you know, the very first scene of the show where he shot a man and got transfered?

With the way she's been written, Winona could be someone I'd genuinely like in full on my life is skidding out of control mode (I have dear and intelligent friends who've had years long relationships with men nearly as bad as Gary.), someone I find fascinating to watch on television but wouldn't want anywhere near me in real life, or someone who's a badly written cipher that's an unfortunate exception on Justified.

Agreed. I'm retaining judgment until I see how this season plays out.

In closing, is it Wednesday yet?

PLEASE BE WEDNESDAY RIGHT NOW.