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This is a great, villain-centric Once vid:
I both find it hilarious and bang-on that the vidder decided the Blue Fairy was a villain. You know you can never trust a nun.
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This Avengers-as-teachers AU snippet makes me soul weep due to awesome. Someone please write that.
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Okay, so I've been reading a lot of Natasha Romanoff + other people fics and there is one persistent piece of fanon that makes me go, "Oh, honey, no." It's the idea that Natasha is someone how more scared than other BAMF and that it gets her and edge, or something? (And it's otherwise excellent writers working with this idea, but it just DOES NOT fly for me.) This is a woman who came out of the Red Room, okay? She knows what it's like to be unmade. She is likely LESS scared than other BAMFs.
Look, as far as I'm concern there are three things that Natasha is afraid of:
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So that's my example of 'fanon that just doesn't work for me.'
Flist, what are YOUR examples of fanon (from any fandom) that just makes you go, 'Oh, honey, no.'
I both find it hilarious and bang-on that the vidder decided the Blue Fairy was a villain. You know you can never trust a nun.
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This Avengers-as-teachers AU snippet makes me soul weep due to awesome. Someone please write that.
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Okay, so I've been reading a lot of Natasha Romanoff + other people fics and there is one persistent piece of fanon that makes me go, "Oh, honey, no." It's the idea that Natasha is someone how more scared than other BAMF and that it gets her and edge, or something? (And it's otherwise excellent writers working with this idea, but it just DOES NOT fly for me.) This is a woman who came out of the Red Room, okay? She knows what it's like to be unmade. She is likely LESS scared than other BAMFs.
Look, as far as I'm concern there are three things that Natasha is afraid of:
- The Hulk
- Being unmade/brainwashed (and this is debatable).
- FEELINGS.
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So that's my example of 'fanon that just doesn't work for me.'
Flist, what are YOUR examples of fanon (from any fandom) that just makes you go, 'Oh, honey, no.'
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NO
I'm sure there are more, but that's been bugging me a lot lately.
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Yes, yes, THIS, yes.
Things that typically drive me nuts: Natasha being helpless, Steve being a wide-eyed neophyte, Chloe being selfish/betraying those she loves, Sherlock being both virginal and completely ignorant about the biology of sex and attraction, John having zero self-worth...
You know what? There's way too much that makes me go "Oh, honey, no."
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Sadly, yes.
Natasha being helpless, Steve being a wide-eyed neophyte,
Natasha is never HELPLESS. Never. She might lose sometimes, but she is NEVER helpless.
And I've had a lot of people very wittily comment on what exactly was going on in the 1940s, and all the reasons it makes not sense for him to be completely clueless about sex. Starting with his best friend and ending with the entire culture of the 1940s.
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NEVER EVER.
And what's really appalling is that it is SO EASY to write Pepper OUT or a relationship with Tony without making her a bad guy. SHE GOT SICK OF THE STRESS OF DATING HIM! SHE WAS OFFERED A JOB AS A CURATOR OF THE MET! SHEILD WISKED HER AWAY TO DO BADASS SUPPLY AND LOGISTICS! SHE DECIDED THAT SHE WANTED TO HAVE SMOKING HOT SEX WITH NATASHA ROMANOFF! That was not hard people, not hard at all.
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Oh shit, this is what I've noticed. And I've been so turned off by. I don't mind fear but it's the much much more scarreddd and dammaggede and ruinnned, but I'm like...oh. :/
I hate it.
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I hate it.
Same here. I think she went through things that Tony and Bruce and Steve and Thor CANNOT IMAGINE and I can accept more scarred and damaged... in the context that it's that much more fucking amazing that she remake herself into the epic BAMF she currently is.
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Like you said, damage is fine, but not in a kind of....I think the word I'm looking for here is fetish? It doesn't quite fit but it's as close as I can get.
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There's no question that he also runs the robotics club. He occasionally gets in trouble with this because of his habit of taking over the project and treating the club members as assistants.
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I have to admit, after reading a few of the most recced Clint/Natasha fics (and certainly finding them well-written) I'm getting a little frowny at characterizations where Natasha is so hard-assed and tough that Clint can't even air the slightest criticism without fearing for his life. Or she punches him. And conversely, that Clint has to tip-toe around her feelings at all times because he's so in love and she's so hair-trigger that he's constantly worrying about upsetting her.
I just... I understand the interpretation, and I think it's a common one for many pairings. But it just...is not what I see. Because Clint went right at her about fighting the war in the infirmary after he got his mind back, and while she tried to evade, using her words and not fists I might add, he gently insisted and she immediately sat down next to him and engaged. And I think I like that scenario much more.
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Le sigh.
Relationship of equals, people, relationship of equals.
and while she tried to evade, using her words and not fists I might add, he gently insisted and she immediately sat down next to him and engaged. And I think I like that scenario much more.
Agreed. That's a much more (to my mind) interesting and functional dynamic.
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And hell to the yes for Natasha being afraid of FEELINGS. (were you the one who posted the link to the fic where she requests to be reassigned a partner because Agent Barton makes her laugh?)
- When people make Tony very self-loathing and persecuted in society and constantly looks at himself as persecuted. It's like, no, this man is unmedicated ADHD if ever a character was unmedicated ADHD. He doesn't have the attention span to feel sorry for himself or care what the tabloids think of him. He'll think about it for a minute, maybe frown, but then he's going to stop being sad and go off and build a robot instead.
- Pretty much whenever comics characterization bleeds into Thor or anyone from Asgard. Likewise, MCU Loki is not the product of systematic abuse and bullying the way his comics counterpart is (because I swear there is not a single nice person in Asgard in the comics).
I think a lot of it is baby writers not understanding that balance is what makes a good character, and just fixating on certain things that get blown out of control.
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THERE IS AN ENTIRE FIC? I JUST SAW A GIF ON TUMBLR! LINK, PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE!
He doesn't have the attention span to feel sorry for himself or care what the tabloids think of him. He'll think about it for a minute, maybe frown, but then he's going to stop being sad and go off and build a robot instead.
Plus, Tony baits the press so fucking much that I just have no sympathy for him.
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...Oh god now I feel bad because I think you're right and I might just be really, really confused @_@.
Plus, Tony baits the press so fucking much that I just have no sympathy for him.
IKR? It's like a recreational activity for him.
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SADNESS.
Plus, Tony baits the press so fucking much that I just have no sympathy for him.
IKR? It's like a recreational activity for him.
Pretty much.