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redbrunja ([personal profile] redbrunja) wrote2013-01-17 08:40 pm

i think you are beautiful and i'd like to kiss you | i can think up some clever lines if you prefer

Speaking personally, I’ve run smack into the part of the story where watching each episode as it airs make me obsess over things that the next episode clarifies. Not like I'm going to stop, mind you, because delaying gratification is not something I do.

On that subject, props to [livejournal.com profile] errant_shadows who pretty much nailed every single one of Darcy’s reasons for not saying anything to Bing.

I really like the writers bringing up that the vlogs are how Lizzie (in-universe) processes what’s going on in her life. I hadn’t thought of it that way, but it’s CLEARLY true. The first episode of the vlog is explicitly this – it’s Lizzie getting the chance to actually argue with her mother in a way that SHE’D prefer – I can only imagine how frustrating it would be to try to talk about marriage ages and divorce rates to Mrs. Bennet directly.

"Bing, why do you let your sister and your best friend run your love life?" Or "Bing, are you aware that your sister and your best friend run your love life?" Or maybe, "Bing are you aware to the extent that your sister and your best friend run your love life... and maybe the rest of your life, I'm not sure."

Ha!

And yes, what they’re doing with Bing is kind of narratively forced but honestly, I think I would be bothered by it a lot less if I was zooming through the episodes, instead of having them doled out twice a week.

When we saw Lizzie standing next to Darcy I just about died. Her boots! The body language!

DOING COSTUME THEATER AS THEMSELVES, OH MY GOD I CAN’T EVEN.

What I love about Darcy talking her to about artificially provoking meaning in mass media is that this is Darcy speaking Lizzie’s language. This is Lizzie being able to have a conversation about her passion with someone who understands what she’s saying. This is the continuation of ‘at least Darcy isn’t afraid to have an opinion.’ This is Darcy saying to Lizzie, ‘what you love – it’s important and legit and I’m going to engage with you on this subject.’

This is Darcy speaking to Lizzie IN HER OWN MOTHER TONGUE.

Darcy doing costume theater with Lizzie (HE WENT TO GET A BOW TIE AND NEWSIE HAT, NEVER OVER IT) is him choosing to interact with Lizzie in the place/manner in which she has the most control and authority. It’s him baring his throat or coming to her on bended knee. IT’S AWESOME.

Also, I want to mention how huge a chance this shows in Lizzie perception of Darcy, that she asked him to help her. This is a woman who at one point didn’t want to comment on a popular song because she didn’t want him to judge her, and now she – I wouldn’t go so far as to say “feels comfortable” because she’s clearly not comfortable with Darcy yet (YET!) – trusts Darcy enough to ask him to participate in her vlog with premeditation.

"I'm a fan of her work" = Lizzie I adore everything about you. 

I love how Darcy is just staring at Lizzie's mouth during that line reading.

I THINK “BING” REALLY WANTS “JANE” TO ASK HIM OUT ON A DATE. I THINK “BING” STILL HAS FEELING FOR “JANE” AND WANTS A SECOND CHANCE.

Oh my god watching Lizzie fall in love with Darcy is GLORIOUS.

[identity profile] catteo.livejournal.com 2013-01-18 06:14 am (UTC)(link)
See, posts like this make me really want to start watching LBD, but I tried the first one and didn't love it. But perhaps I haven't given it enough of a chance. Although the fact that you're talking about episode 80 kind of makes my head explode.

[identity profile] redbrunja.livejournal.com 2013-01-21 06:22 am (UTC)(link)
I would suggest giving the show a couple more episodes to win you over? Especially as they're so short? I might suggest skipping a head to episode five, which is where Lizzie's sister's relationship starts, and is the first time Lizzie meets Darcy:



Although the fact that you're talking about episode 80 kind of makes my head explode.

I know! I can't believe there's been 80 episodes so far, but I've been entertained by the vast majority of those episodes.

[identity profile] catteo.livejournal.com 2013-01-22 09:51 am (UTC)(link)
I have now watched the first 5 and you were (not surprisingly) correct! I am enjoying it much more now. I suspect it'll be one of those things that I dip in and out of or mainline on some shitty weekend when I just want to sprawl on the sofa. Thanks!

[identity profile] redbrunja.livejournal.com 2013-01-22 02:12 pm (UTC)(link)
You're welcome! And yeah, I think mainlining one some random weekend was how I got went through the bulk of these!

[identity profile] eilowyn.livejournal.com 2013-01-18 06:56 am (UTC)(link)
Love these observations. I'm only on episode 35 (but *spoiler alert!* it kind of was spoiled in the earlier part of the nineteenth century), but now I'll be looking at Lizzie's perception of things from now on.

[identity profile] redbrunja.livejournal.com 2013-01-18 02:57 pm (UTC)(link)
What? Are you suggesting that Darcy - who Lizzie DOESN'T LIKE, god – is going to end up with her? Gross!

[identity profile] empressearwig.livejournal.com 2013-01-18 10:57 am (UTC)(link)
HOW DID HE MANAGE TO PUT SO MUCH GODDAMN HEAT ON THE "I'M A FAN OF HER WORK" LINE? HOWWWWWWWW?

WHAT MAGIC DO THESE PEOPLE POSSESS?!?!?

[identity profile] redbrunja.livejournal.com 2013-01-18 02:55 pm (UTC)(link)
It's magic.

[identity profile] intrikate88.livejournal.com 2013-01-18 03:09 pm (UTC)(link)
ALL OF THIS ♥ ♥ ♥

I LOVE how Darcy is choosing to relate to Lizzie. I love how he has seen her opinions of him and of herself and everything else and he understands that he can show he respects her by the valuing the things she values. WITHOUT making it about their potential for relationship or even making that the smallest factor in anything. But it isn't him backing down or just rolling over and pedestalizing her and saying "omygosh you're so smart and right about everything" either, which I think would alienate her by him not forming his own opinions.

I need to make a comparison post of Lizzie/Darcy and Belle/Rumpelstiltskin. Because SO MUCH of what I see with Lizzie and Darcy is, I think, exactly what Belle and Rumple need, and what I'm hoping for in the upcoming storyline. Because Lizzie isn't making Darcy "earn" her love or saying she'll stick by him if he agrees to get his shit together, she's living her life and he's living his and he sees that she has values worth respecting and he is reasonable enough to subsequently respect them as well. And that's what I want to see.

[identity profile] redbrunja.livejournal.com 2013-02-15 07:56 am (UTC)(link)
I love how he has seen her opinions of him and of herself and everything else and he understands that he can show he respects her by the valuing the things she values. WITHOUT making it about their potential for relationship or even making that the smallest factor in anything. But it isn't him backing down or just rolling over and pedestalizing her and saying "omygosh you're so smart and right about everything" either,

I think a key factor -and why they are perfect for each other - is that Darcy genuinely, on his own, values the same things Lizzie values. Her interest in communication, her ability to reach a broad audience in a unique way - the first is something Darcy shares (as Pemberely is proof of) and the latter is something that he know the value of (again, as per Pemberely).

I need to make a comparison post of Lizzie/Darcy and Belle/Rumpelstiltskin. Because SO MUCH of what I see with Lizzie and Darcy is, I think, exactly what Belle and Rumple need, and what I'm hoping for in the upcoming storyline. Because Lizzie isn't making Darcy "earn" her love or saying she'll stick by him if he agrees to get his shit together, she's living her life and he's living his and he sees that she has values worth respecting and he is reasonable enough to subsequently respect them as well. And that's what I want to see.

I would LOVE to read that post.

[identity profile] intrikate88.livejournal.com 2013-02-15 01:49 pm (UTC)(link)
I would LOVE to read that post.


I did write the post (http://intrikate88.livejournal.com/307039.html), although granted it was before we saw the extent to which Belle lost her mind and so I don't even know what to do now because I'm in some real depths of mourning over her losing so much of herself (she isn't loving books! she isn't solving problems with determination and research and good sense and compassion! WHERE IS MY DARLING GIRL.) and just.... I mean, okay. Belle is not in love with Gold right now because she doesn't all she knows is he's the jerk who showed up after her accident and is calling her by a name she doesn't know and is trying to make her remember stuff she can't and is shoving stuff that can't be true in her face. So if there's going to be a change in state there that does not involve a magic handwavy way of her getting all her memories back, then SHE has to get in touch with her own interests and values and he has to leave her alone and Gold decides that hey, having patience and compassion for people doesn't suck. Being brave with the little bit of choice that you have is possible. Sometimes answers can be found in books, not spells. Sometimes listening to others and respecting their voice is less lonely than spinning them a deal so you can stay apart and not take anything with strings attached.

Wow, that got long. I have a lot of ~feelings, okay.

[identity profile] jade-sabre-301.livejournal.com 2013-01-19 02:58 am (UTC)(link)
yes yes YES to him speaking her language. I haven't been following the show, but like three people posted about this episode so I watched it, and it was just such a--a beautiful touch of compatibility. I was Impressed.

and the hat and bowtie. forever.

[identity profile] redbrunja.livejournal.com 2013-01-19 05:33 am (UTC)(link)
I'm glad you enjoyed this episode, even out of context.

[identity profile] lady-with-cats.livejournal.com 2013-01-19 10:38 pm (UTC)(link)
yes yes yes to all your fabulous thoughts. i about died when he said "you should ask him" and stared at her (even more intensely)!!!

[identity profile] redbrunja.livejournal.com 2013-01-21 06:28 am (UTC)(link)
Such a squee worthy moment!

[identity profile] zombie_boogie.livejournal.com 2013-01-20 04:11 pm (UTC)(link)
What I love about Darcy talking her to about artificially provoking meaning in mass media is that this is Darcy speaking Lizzie’s language. This is Lizzie being able to have a conversation about her passion with someone who understands what she’s saying. This is the continuation of ‘at least Darcy isn’t afraid to have an opinion.’ This is Darcy saying to Lizzie, ‘what you love – it’s important and legit and I’m going to engage with you on this subject.’

This is Darcy speaking to Lizzie IN HER OWN MOTHER TONGUE.


I'm sorry I need to curl up in a ball and rock slowly back and forth. THEY ARE GOING TO BE THE HAPPIEST.

[identity profile] redbrunja.livejournal.com 2013-02-06 08:06 am (UTC)(link)
So happy. They are going to be in love forever.