"Well, all your issues happened to you for YOUR OWN character development and not a dude's, you still have family members you speak to, and you are not actively fighting with your teammates, so you kind of won the superheroine lottery."
Pretty much.
Oh my gosh. Can this be a meme? This needs to be a meme. Everyone thinks the Batman of Marvel is Tony Stark, wrong, it is Kate Bishop. :D
Hell yes. And Tony Stark is a fucking warped mirror of Batman; no way is he the batman analogue in the Marvel-verse.
"your baggage" and not just "baggage," I wonder if what this is about is not whether Kate has emotional baggage of her own, but whether she's had to carry baggage for other people, literally and metaphorically. Which would make sense, because she then spends the rest of the Madripoor storyline showing Clint up by getting him out of a huge mess in ways that are physically and emotionally stressful to her.
I think it's a combination of both? Like, I think Clint thinks that Kate doesn't have baggage of her own -slash- has had to deal with other people's shit the way that Clint has (which is true as far as it goes, but doesn't tell the whole story) but I also think that there is this element to the story that's about the Hawkeye legacy, and passing down the name, and by the nature of that - that they both carry the name, that Kate was given it by Captain America when Clint was dead, means that Kate is, as she says, trading on Clint's name and part of his problems.
(which is true as far as it goes, but doesn't tell the whole story) Yeah. It's like there's this weird superhero trauma triage thing, and if you have never died and you still have relatives and you don't break down sobbing in team meetings, you're probably more functional than 90% of the people you know, no matter what else is wrong with you. So there's nobody to worry about you.
Like, how Batman is ostensibly supposed to be watching out for Robin and teaching him (her) things, but Batman is so screwed up he really can't take care of Robin? Robin probably takes care of Batman more than Batman takes care of Robin, because if he didn't have a kid around to cheer him up he would just be sad all the time.
...latenightcuppa and this fic (http://archiveofourown.org/works/662726) being responsible for the fact that I relate Hawkeye/Hawkey dynamics in terms of Batman & Robin. :P
you're probably more functional than 90% of the people you know, no matter what else is wrong with you. So there's nobody to worry about you.
Right? Which I think is why Clint has this huge blind spot with regards to Kate. "Katie-kate? She's a functional adult! She's totally fine!" Not always, Clint, not always.
...latenightcuppa and this fic being responsible for the fact that I relate Hawkeye/Hawkey dynamics in terms of Batman & Robin. :P
Honestly, Kate and Clint read so clearly to me as equals in the way that they treat and view the other, that that metaphor doesn't totally work for me.
No, no, you're both right, and I realized after I went to bed last night that I was taking that completely the opposite of the point of the story (1am posting, whooo). Because Kate is a legacy hero and not a sidekick, and Clint never does the whole "Try harder, Robin" thing with her after that first time. I think what I meant was that adult superheroes are so busy with superhero problems and the trauma that they accumulate over time that the younger superheroes sometimes end up looking like the functional adults in their partnerships and having to go around picking up after people who are older than them. If only because they've had less time to get messed up? Which, even if they are not looking for a mentor figure per se, is still not entirely fair to them as kids/young adults.
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Pretty much.
Oh my gosh. Can this be a meme? This needs to be a meme. Everyone thinks the Batman of Marvel is Tony Stark, wrong, it is Kate Bishop. :D
Hell yes. And Tony Stark is a fucking warped mirror of Batman; no way is he the batman analogue in the Marvel-verse.
"your baggage" and not just "baggage," I wonder if what this is about is not whether Kate has emotional baggage of her own, but whether she's had to carry baggage for other people, literally and metaphorically. Which would make sense, because she then spends the rest of the Madripoor storyline showing Clint up by getting him out of a huge mess in ways that are physically and emotionally stressful to her.
I think it's a combination of both? Like, I think Clint thinks that Kate doesn't have baggage of her own -slash- has had to deal with other people's shit the way that Clint has (which is true as far as it goes, but doesn't tell the whole story) but I also think that there is this element to the story that's about the Hawkeye legacy, and passing down the name, and by the nature of that - that they both carry the name, that Kate was given it by Captain America when Clint was dead, means that Kate is, as she says, trading on Clint's name and part of his problems.
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Yeah. It's like there's this weird superhero trauma triage thing, and if you have never died and you still have relatives and you don't break down sobbing in team meetings, you're probably more functional than 90% of the people you know, no matter what else is wrong with you. So there's nobody to worry about you.
Like, how Batman is ostensibly supposed to be watching out for Robin and teaching him (her) things, but Batman is so screwed up he really can't take care of Robin? Robin probably takes care of Batman more than Batman takes care of Robin, because if he didn't have a kid around to cheer him up he would just be sad all the time.
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Right? Which I think is why Clint has this huge blind spot with regards to Kate. "Katie-kate? She's a functional adult! She's totally fine!" Not always, Clint, not always.
...latenightcuppa and this fic being responsible for the fact that I relate Hawkeye/Hawkey dynamics in terms of Batman & Robin. :P
Honestly, Kate and Clint read so clearly to me as equals in the way that they treat and view the other, that that metaphor doesn't totally work for me.
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