Mmmm, Shippage

[redbrunja]

In case anyone who knows me was actually wondering....

One True Pairing: Katara/Zuko. That was was a total gimme. *points to icons if you want proof*

One True Threesome: Ty Lee x Mai x Azula. Lesbian orgy for the win! Or, alternatively, a threesome with past!Katara, Avatar Roku and Fire Lord.. Whatever his name was.

One True Crack!Threesome: Iroh x Azula's crone handmaidens

One True Foursome: I don't really ship foursomes. I usually feel that the relationships of the characters involved are better in couple formation as opposed to square formation. And with most of the foursomes that could be make with Toph, Sokka, Katara, and Aang... there is just so much wrong with that thought that I can't quite list it all.

Canon fave: Suki/Sokka. Speaking of which (I know what happened to Suki, and I'm going to be really disappointed if Mike & Bryan don't go the route I'm thinking of) on rewatch, it is really bothersome that it takes Sokka 10 freaking episodes to wonder what happened to Suki and how Azula got Kyoshi uniforms

Not quite canon but should be: Jet/Katara. I am quite, quite sure that they did some heavy making out up in those trees, mainly because I find it unfair that Zuko and Sokka get beaucoup on screen kisses, but Katara didn't.

If this happens I'll stab my eyes out with a spork: Mai/Zuko. I know it used to be canon, but I haven't disliked a pairing this much since Veronica/Duncan (and I hate it for exactly the same reasons.) Since I have Maiko fans on my flist, I'll simply say that, barring Azula, Mai would make the worst queen out of any female on this show.

You are one sick bastard: Zuko/Haru. There was some bruhaha going on over at avatar episodes about some clearly maniped photo of them from somewhere in Africa, and I mean, if your going to do a manip and then try to fool people, WHY on earth would you do that pairing?

I'm one sick bastard: Iroh/that nice female guard ... is what I would say if I had any shame. True answer? Iroh/Katara from Tempest in a Teacup-verse.

I dabble a little: Sokka/Toph.

It's like a car crash: Mai/Zuko and Katara/Aang (and no, this isn't crazy Zutara shipping getting away with me - I can see both Zuko and Katara happily with people besides each other. However, Maiko is going to fuck up the Fire Nation a few years down the line, and Kataang is going to force Katara to baby Aang for the rest of her life.)

Tickles my fancy but not sold quite yet: Toph/Zuko. I like these two best as the siblings they never/wished they had, and I think I could be convinced of a romantic relationship. I don't think it would last though - Toph would not enjoy being queen.

Makes no canon sense but why the hell not: Suki/Toph. Toph did kiss her. (Thinking she was Sokka, but still.) And what do you bet the Kyoshi warriors have some elements of a sorority?

Everyone else loves it but I just don't feel it: Mai/Zuko.

Guilty Pleasure: I can really enjoy a good Toph/Sokka, even if I don't see it on the show and get annoyed when people kill of Suki or (this happened once, and I'm still furious about it) act like Sokka falling for Suki was some casual thing.

Older/Younger fave: The generations are so split that it's hard to ship across them... I have to admit, someone doing a Toph/Iroh would be very interesting. Once, you know, she's not twelve.

My first: Zuko/Katara (I was shipping this... actually the first scene of the show I saw was the green crystal cave seen, so about 2 seconds in I was shipping them. And then I got pimped into the show based on the enemy-ship that's het and actually has fic being written factor of it.

When all is said and done: Katara/Zuko! (To prove how awesome this pairing in: randomly, in discussions my mother will sigh and go, 'Zuko and Katara... they're so perfect for each other. That relationship is just so interesting. Yes, I DO have the best mother in the world, even if she thinks Mai has a soul, and thus, I cannot even talk about Mai with her.)

Comments

Re: "You *stand idylly by*"

[meganbmoore.livejournal.com]

Logan has enough issues that, given her own issues, I've never blamed Veronica when she was hard on him. I think people forget that our big intro to him was his smashing Veronica's headlights in (of course, a few eps later and he'd kill anyone else who did that, but that's not the point...)

As far as shipping goes, the things you seem to go for the most is enemies as lovers, and characters with very similar traits(whether obvious or otherwise) but with some sort of conflict between them.

Though, I have no idea what your POTC ship is...

Re: "You *stand idylly by*"

[redbrunja.livejournal.com]

Yeah, Logan has been whacked out enough that I've never really felt that Veronica did him wrong, especially in light of her own insecurities.

And for POTC, I'm a Elizabeth/Will shipper. The first movie was, in my opinion, the best, and so much of that revolved around the fact that they loved each other madly, I felt that the actors had chemisty, and frankly, none of the other pairings really made sense to me (I thought the Elizabeth/Jack hints were really shoehored into the second movie, and it felt like the writers to trying to fake hints of a romance between them, instead of actually having hints of one.) Which makes me practically an outcast in the corners of POTC fandom that I've dipped my feet in.

Re: "You *stand idylly by*"

[meganbmoore.livejournal.com]

I can't remember what it was, but Veronica did something in S2 that, when it aired, pissed off all the VM fans on my flist, and when I finally saw it on DVD, I thought they were all nuts.

Ok, since I said I don't remember, I do now: The gun in the bar episode. I'm sorry, but if someone I cared about, who had severe behavioral issues, a history of violence, and several very, very current and active reasons to go off the deep walked into a bar full of gang members waving around a gun, loaded or otherwise, I would have freaked just as much. Actually, I think I would have freaked even more once I learned he couldn't back up the threat. Sure, she should have been greatful(and she was) that he saved her from facial tattoos, and possibly/probably being beaten and raped, but I don't remotely blame her for reacting the way she did. I think it's the typical "how DARE that girl be less than a perfect angel to our precious woobie?" fan reaction.

I think EVERYONE views the first movie as the best, no matter what their ship was. If any one, specific plotline is the core of the series, it's "Will and Elizabeth are absurdly devoted to each other and like to tear the woirld apart and do absurdly devoted things for each other." (Now, if that were the only important plotline, it wouldn't be nearly as good, but...) Honestly, even though it's the dominant ship, I can never make myself consider a person shipping Jack/Elizabeth, simply because, sure, they'd have some hot sex and a few adventures, but they'd kill each other inside a month. Really, the second the perfect balance of rum, sex and adventure was unbalanced, one would be going overboard, one way or the other. The second movie was, quite simply, TPTB catering to the fans of the ship to make sure they came back for the third movie, with no intention of following through, a habit I always find reprehensible. As far as the actual plot goes, though, based on what else was going on and the first movie, it seemed obvious to me that Elizabeth was doing to Jack exactly what she did to poor Norrington in the first movie: offering up the promise of the only thing she has(herself) to get what she wants (Will's safety.) Except that Jack caught on and knew what she was up to, so the stakes were a lot higher. I think people thinking it meant Jack/Elizabeth had a chance were also forgetting something important about both Will and Elizabeth: Both were far more concerned about the other being alive, free and happy than they were about the other being with them. Elizabeth would have been willing to lose Will for herself with her actions as long as it meant he was ok, and he was willing to let her go if she wanted someone else, and would have done anything to make sure she was happy, even if it meant saving his rival so she could be with him.

And, really, for all that she was playing cat and mouse with Jack, the only thing that saved Will from being ravished on the beach in the second movie was the audience...and I think everyone but Will knew it (I love the boy, but he can be naive...it's a good thing he has Elizabeth, who compensates for that.)

And, honestly, I don't understand how anyone can't see the appeal of people who are just that obsessively devoted to each other.

(The only other pairing I've ever been able to moderately understand is Elizabeth/Norrington...but that's only because he did genuinely-if naively and with rose colored glasses-love her, and she did care for him-certainly more than she ever did for Jack-she just didn't love him. If there's been no Will, I think they could have had a comfortable, companionable life together, even if it would have been rather passionless.)

I Love Me A Man In Uniform.

[redbrunja.livejournal.com]

What? The post-bar scene was freaking awesome. That was exactly the reaction that she would have, and I found it incredibly romantic. This is Veronica people, she was feeling vulnerable and scared and of course she lashed out - and guess, what, he kind of deserved it to!

And Norington/Elizabeth is who I cheat on my Will/Elizabeth with. The more I rewatched CotBP, the more I loved James, who was such a perfect example of the steadfast navel officer, so noble and stalwart, and clearly loved her, and ended up letting her go gracefully. (What they did to his character was a large part of why I didn't like the second movie, and I can't believe all the people who thought he was sexier gunked up than in that spiffy wig and uniform.)

And when did Elizabeth almost ravish him on the beach in the second movie? All a remember was the "if the bars weren't here, I'd have you right now." which *guh*

Re: I Love Me A Man In Uniform.

[meganbmoore.livejournal.com]

I thought it was the perfect reaction, too. I wouldn't have blamed her for beating on him a little. Most VM fans tend to approach the show as Logan is the ultimate beloved woobie, and how dare that girl do anything but pet and fawn all over him, doesn't she realize how damaged he is? (Forget all her own trauma and the fact that he spent a year giving her every reason to hate him, and has spent the time since they started becoming friends and then more again flip flopping between reasons to love him and reasons to hate him...and oh yeah, the part where his father tried to burn her alive in a refrigerator.)

I very much see the appeal of the damaged, broken Norington being reunited with the woman he loves, only to learn that she's looking for the man he let her leave him for, because it casts him as a very tragic, romantic figure, but please, much more appealing all nice and clean. (I guess I can see the appeal of the scruffy look after a bath, brushing out the hair, but really...)

I disliked what was done to him in the second movie, but I never had issues with his actions. He did the noble thing and then lost everything because of it, and then was given a chance to get it all back, and he took it.

As far as ravishing goes...*points to icon* When they finally get over chasing each other all over the caribbean and Will finds them on the island where they found Davy Jones's heart. That girl was getting as much Will Turner as she could with people watching. I also handwave some of her actions in the movie as her being very sexually frustrated and being deprived of her wedding night. We know who would be saying they had to wait for the wedding, and it wouldn't be her. (And her father doesn't count.) That beach kiss was one of the best full body melds ever.

Out of curiosity, have you ever seen Last Exile? There's a character there who makes me think of Will(esp. in the "obsessive devotion to a woman far above his station" area.)

Re: I Love Me A Man In Uniform.

[redbrunja.livejournal.com]

I haven't seen last Exile - do you think I would like it?

I also handwave some of her actions in the movie as her being very sexually frustrated and being deprived of her wedding night.

*snerk*

Oh, yes.

(I guess I can see the appeal of the scruffy look after a bath, brushing out the hair, but really...)

Yeah, when the boy has been sleeping with the pigs... yeah no.

Re: I Love Me A Man In Uniform.

[meganbmoore.livejournal.com]

Last Exile is paced almost to the point of being slow and times, and the two main characters, while likable, are less interesting than the supporting cast, but it has a very good story and a lot of interesting characters and character dynamics(I'm very fond and the not-quite-triangle between the super angsty captain, his second in command, who is the future empress, and their coffee loving buddy, who has an empress complex that almost has to be seen to be believed)

It's also a very good look at steampunk in general, and has a lot of interesting female characters.