Mmmm, Shippage

[redbrunja]

In case anyone who knows me was actually wondering....

One True Pairing: Katara/Zuko. That was was a total gimme. *points to icons if you want proof*

One True Threesome: Ty Lee x Mai x Azula. Lesbian orgy for the win! Or, alternatively, a threesome with past!Katara, Avatar Roku and Fire Lord.. Whatever his name was.

One True Crack!Threesome: Iroh x Azula's crone handmaidens

One True Foursome: I don't really ship foursomes. I usually feel that the relationships of the characters involved are better in couple formation as opposed to square formation. And with most of the foursomes that could be make with Toph, Sokka, Katara, and Aang... there is just so much wrong with that thought that I can't quite list it all.

Canon fave: Suki/Sokka. Speaking of which (I know what happened to Suki, and I'm going to be really disappointed if Mike & Bryan don't go the route I'm thinking of) on rewatch, it is really bothersome that it takes Sokka 10 freaking episodes to wonder what happened to Suki and how Azula got Kyoshi uniforms

Not quite canon but should be: Jet/Katara. I am quite, quite sure that they did some heavy making out up in those trees, mainly because I find it unfair that Zuko and Sokka get beaucoup on screen kisses, but Katara didn't.

If this happens I'll stab my eyes out with a spork: Mai/Zuko. I know it used to be canon, but I haven't disliked a pairing this much since Veronica/Duncan (and I hate it for exactly the same reasons.) Since I have Maiko fans on my flist, I'll simply say that, barring Azula, Mai would make the worst queen out of any female on this show.

You are one sick bastard: Zuko/Haru. There was some bruhaha going on over at avatar episodes about some clearly maniped photo of them from somewhere in Africa, and I mean, if your going to do a manip and then try to fool people, WHY on earth would you do that pairing?

I'm one sick bastard: Iroh/that nice female guard ... is what I would say if I had any shame. True answer? Iroh/Katara from Tempest in a Teacup-verse.

I dabble a little: Sokka/Toph.

It's like a car crash: Mai/Zuko and Katara/Aang (and no, this isn't crazy Zutara shipping getting away with me - I can see both Zuko and Katara happily with people besides each other. However, Maiko is going to fuck up the Fire Nation a few years down the line, and Kataang is going to force Katara to baby Aang for the rest of her life.)

Tickles my fancy but not sold quite yet: Toph/Zuko. I like these two best as the siblings they never/wished they had, and I think I could be convinced of a romantic relationship. I don't think it would last though - Toph would not enjoy being queen.

Makes no canon sense but why the hell not: Suki/Toph. Toph did kiss her. (Thinking she was Sokka, but still.) And what do you bet the Kyoshi warriors have some elements of a sorority?

Everyone else loves it but I just don't feel it: Mai/Zuko.

Guilty Pleasure: I can really enjoy a good Toph/Sokka, even if I don't see it on the show and get annoyed when people kill of Suki or (this happened once, and I'm still furious about it) act like Sokka falling for Suki was some casual thing.

Older/Younger fave: The generations are so split that it's hard to ship across them... I have to admit, someone doing a Toph/Iroh would be very interesting. Once, you know, she's not twelve.

My first: Zuko/Katara (I was shipping this... actually the first scene of the show I saw was the green crystal cave seen, so about 2 seconds in I was shipping them. And then I got pimped into the show based on the enemy-ship that's het and actually has fic being written factor of it.

When all is said and done: Katara/Zuko! (To prove how awesome this pairing in: randomly, in discussions my mother will sigh and go, 'Zuko and Katara... they're so perfect for each other. That relationship is just so interesting. Yes, I DO have the best mother in the world, even if she thinks Mai has a soul, and thus, I cannot even talk about Mai with her.)

Comments

[renegadekitsune.livejournal.com]

MMMmmm...Tempest IrohKatara....

And Hallelujia!

[redbrunja.livejournal.com]

I know! It's so wrong, and would screw up Zuko so much, but... I can just see it, you know?

And what is the Hallelujia for?

[renegadekitsune.livejournal.com]

The Hallelujia was for everything else xD. You know I fully agree with you.

[redbrunja.livejournal.com]

*grins*

And god knows I love that I'm not alone in my shipping preferences!

[renegadekitsune.livejournal.com]

Ah, have you heard from pzb? I haven't seen her in a few days, and she's not answering texts or phone calls from me.

[redbrunja.livejournal.com]

Just gave her a call. She's still there - apparently her weekend was crazy.

[renegadekitsune.livejournal.com]

:) I got hold of her. We warcrafted.

[redbrunja.livejournal.com]

Yay!

[meganbmoore.livejournal.com]

Actually, Azula has all the makings of the perfect ruler. She's intelligent, ambitious and clever. She's very charismatic and a natural leader, noth on the battlefield and off, and has an excellent head for strategy, both long term and on the spot. Basically, she has all the makings of a ruler destined to lead her country to greatness and if she were in charge, the fire nation likely really WOULD rule the world by the end of her reign.

It's just that she's evil and probably a dominatrix, so we really hope that never happens.

It's not that she'd make a bad queen, it's that she'd be too good at it for the well being of the planet.

[redbrunja.livejournal.com]

Fair point. However, I believe mercy and compassion are essential parts of a great ruler, and thus sincerely hope that someone (preferably Toph or Katara or maybe Zuko) drop kicks her ass in the season finale.

And I think she would make a bad queen in the sense that long term, I think neither her populace or her enemies would like her on the throne. She'd certainly be effective in her aims, though.

[meganbmoore.livejournal.com]

Having Azula on the throne would be like having an evil Elizabeth Tudor on the throne. While there may be hatred mixed in, they would love her because she made them great and powerful. By her sheer force of will she would give them a sense of purpose and worth and bring them to her side. We've already seen it in season two...she went into a horde of her enemies and came out their leader by sheer force of will and charisma, and they had no idea what she'd done to them. If she became queen, she'd be remembered as one of the greatest rulers ever, no matter what atrocities she committed, because she would be remembered for power and unity.

It's just that she's evil, so we kinda hope she gets taken out before she offs all the heroes. Mercy and compassion are things we want and expect in a ruler, but it's not something that the Avatar world, as it currently stands, really has room for(look at what's happened to the nicer rulers), and certainly not the kind of ruler Osai would raise.

BTW, I doubt your hatred of Veronica/Duncan is anywhere near mine...my venom at being expected to accept Veronica with her rapist knows no bounds. (He stated that, at the time, he knew it was wrong, not only because she was drugged, but because he had information that, if she knew, she would NEVER look at him romantically again. The "I was drugged and just as helpless as you" was blatantly an "it's not my fault" excuse, as he admitted to awareness, indicating choice and freewill. I will never understand how I'm supposed to view him as anything but a rapist. Veronica and Meg both deserved infinitely better, and I despise that their friendship was ruined because of him.)

And now I go to bed.

[redbrunja.livejournal.com]

Yes, someone else who finds that pairing atrocious! I have to admit that the rape wasn't what made me hate them together (although I have to say with the 'fake reveal' - as in, I'm ignoring it - that Cassidy raped her made me really not see how Duncan could have had sex with her - she would have been bloody and -augh. God I hate season two.)

The main reason I hated that relationship is that with him, Veronica turned into Veronica, version 1 - she went back to her long-haired self and lost the snark and the strength that made her so awesome. And if anyone else had pulled the shit Duncan pulled.... they would have been out of her life so fast....

Veronica and Meg both deserved infinitely better, and I despise that their friendship was ruined because of him.)

Word.

[meganbmoore.livejournal.com]

The Cassidy reveal just made me see it as more of a rape. I'm sure it was meant to chase any "Duncan raped Veronica" thoughts out of our heads, but it just made me more convinced. I also saw that coming a mile away. Why? In S1, Veronica (rightly) was all "dude, you left a drugged, passed out girl in a bed and left the door open to a house full of drunk people who hated her...you're just as responsible as the actual rapist" and then in S2, they were all buddy-buddy.

I despised the very idea of Duncan/Veronica before they even got back together. He dumped her with no explanation, then completely abandoned her to the wolves. Had he given her the slightest support, even as a platonic friend, or defended her even once, the rest of the school wouldn't have been half as horrible to her. We were supposed to see him as truly loving her and be torn apart because he couldn't be with her...I saw him as the creep who couldn't be bothered to help the girl he loved.

Had I not known that Duncan left mid S2 when I started, and that she was back with Logan by the end(though, really, just any proof that she wasn't pining over her "true love" would have worked) I wouldn't have made it past the first disc of S2, that's how much I disliked the idea of Veronica with Duncan.

ETA: Interesting thing: I don't know a single female fan who likes Duncan/Veronica. Male fans seem to either like it, or just not see a problem with his behavior, even if they prefer her with Logan(or, in a couple cases, Weevil.) Female fans, though, seem to despise it on the whole, I think because, while we can take alpha male bastardry, we draw the line at abandonment and the "if you love me, you'll trust me and put up with anything, even if I'm the main reason you have trust issues" thing, while to guys, it comes across more as "difficult girlfriend." I have one friend who was never interested in the show but watched one episode of it...all she had to say was that with just one episode, she could see that Duncan was completely wrong for Veronica, and Logan was better suited to her.

"You *stand idylly by*"

[redbrunja.livejournal.com]

I hated the Cassidy reveal. On think I liked about how it played out was that, to me, it was the least awful thing to have happened - consensual sex with someone she cared about, even if she can't remember it, is still better than some random skeevy VD-ridden guy.

Plus, as one person commented, the way it played out, it was like the whole 09er culture raped her (by providing the various circumstances that lead to it.)

I despised the very idea of Duncan/Veronica before they even got back together. He dumped her with no explanation, then completely abandoned her to the wolves. Had he given her the slightest support, even as a platonic friend, or defended her even once, the rest of the school wouldn't have been half as horrible to her. We were supposed to see him as truly loving her and be torn apart because he couldn't be with her...I saw him as the creep who couldn't be bothered to help the girl he loved.

Wordy McWord. I hated the thought of Veronica and Duncan together, and nothing I saw ever made me think there was the slightest bit of good in that relationship. There was this one fanfic I read that actually had Logan (after he's dating Veronica) call Duncan on it: "I hate my sister, and I would have killed anyone who said to me the things I said to you about Veronica."

Female fans, though, seem to despise it on the whole, I think because, while we can take alpha male bastardry, we draw the line at abandonment and the "if you love me, you'll trust me and put up with anything, even if I'm the main reason you have trust issues" thing, while to guys, it comes across more as "difficult girlfriend."

*nods* That is a very good way to sum it up. I think you're right. I actually, also prefer her with Weevil, both because they have mad chemstry, an actual friendship to build off of, and most important to me - Weevil has NEVER gotten pissed at her for doing whatever it takes to get the truth. (There is that one scene in the second episode, but to me that's more him being pissed at her for siding with the 09ers and thinking he's too dumb to realize that she's clearing suspecting him."

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[meganbmoore.livejournal.com]

I saw the Cassidy reveal coming at the start of the season, because of how they changed it so that she trusted him.

And that right there is why Logan is far superior to Duncan-Duncan never cared what people said about Veronica, or even Lilly. Logan, even knowing Lilly cheated on him, would kill you for it, and once he fell for Veronica, if you said one word, you were dead to him.

While I like Logan/Veronica, I can easily see Veronica/Weevil(I suspected that was your ship) a few years down the road. Right now, they're a little too much alike(as highlighted in the ep where he stole the school money) for me to ship them. I can, however, easily see them together a few years down the road, once they've established themselves as adults, because there is a mutual respect and working rapport between them.

And he is her pet gangster.

One of my absolutely favorite S1 bits is when she's looking for her neighbor, and calls his gang to come and harass the neighbor's boss. It is a teeny pinky, but they both know he's wrapped around to...but not to the point of being under her foot.

Honestly, I'm good with Veronica/Weevil and Veronica/Logan both...I just don't see one as working unless it only starts later.

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[redbrunja.livejournal.com]

And that right there is why Logan is far superior to Duncan-Duncan never cared what people said about Veronica, or even Lilly. Logan, even knowing Lilly cheated on him, would kill you for it, and once he fell for Veronica, if you said one word, you were dead to him.

Exactly. He has his problems, but loyalty was never one of them. Duncan... he was never there for Veronica when she needed him.

Oh, and what tipped you off the Weevil/Veronica was my ship? *snicker*

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[meganbmoore.livejournal.com]

Logan has enough issues that, given her own issues, I've never blamed Veronica when she was hard on him. I think people forget that our big intro to him was his smashing Veronica's headlights in (of course, a few eps later and he'd kill anyone else who did that, but that's not the point...)

As far as shipping goes, the things you seem to go for the most is enemies as lovers, and characters with very similar traits(whether obvious or otherwise) but with some sort of conflict between them.

Though, I have no idea what your POTC ship is...

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[redbrunja.livejournal.com]

Yeah, Logan has been whacked out enough that I've never really felt that Veronica did him wrong, especially in light of her own insecurities.

And for POTC, I'm a Elizabeth/Will shipper. The first movie was, in my opinion, the best, and so much of that revolved around the fact that they loved each other madly, I felt that the actors had chemisty, and frankly, none of the other pairings really made sense to me (I thought the Elizabeth/Jack hints were really shoehored into the second movie, and it felt like the writers to trying to fake hints of a romance between them, instead of actually having hints of one.) Which makes me practically an outcast in the corners of POTC fandom that I've dipped my feet in.

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[meganbmoore.livejournal.com]

I can't remember what it was, but Veronica did something in S2 that, when it aired, pissed off all the VM fans on my flist, and when I finally saw it on DVD, I thought they were all nuts.

Ok, since I said I don't remember, I do now: The gun in the bar episode. I'm sorry, but if someone I cared about, who had severe behavioral issues, a history of violence, and several very, very current and active reasons to go off the deep walked into a bar full of gang members waving around a gun, loaded or otherwise, I would have freaked just as much. Actually, I think I would have freaked even more once I learned he couldn't back up the threat. Sure, she should have been greatful(and she was) that he saved her from facial tattoos, and possibly/probably being beaten and raped, but I don't remotely blame her for reacting the way she did. I think it's the typical "how DARE that girl be less than a perfect angel to our precious woobie?" fan reaction.

I think EVERYONE views the first movie as the best, no matter what their ship was. If any one, specific plotline is the core of the series, it's "Will and Elizabeth are absurdly devoted to each other and like to tear the woirld apart and do absurdly devoted things for each other." (Now, if that were the only important plotline, it wouldn't be nearly as good, but...) Honestly, even though it's the dominant ship, I can never make myself consider a person shipping Jack/Elizabeth, simply because, sure, they'd have some hot sex and a few adventures, but they'd kill each other inside a month. Really, the second the perfect balance of rum, sex and adventure was unbalanced, one would be going overboard, one way or the other. The second movie was, quite simply, TPTB catering to the fans of the ship to make sure they came back for the third movie, with no intention of following through, a habit I always find reprehensible. As far as the actual plot goes, though, based on what else was going on and the first movie, it seemed obvious to me that Elizabeth was doing to Jack exactly what she did to poor Norrington in the first movie: offering up the promise of the only thing she has(herself) to get what she wants (Will's safety.) Except that Jack caught on and knew what she was up to, so the stakes were a lot higher. I think people thinking it meant Jack/Elizabeth had a chance were also forgetting something important about both Will and Elizabeth: Both were far more concerned about the other being alive, free and happy than they were about the other being with them. Elizabeth would have been willing to lose Will for herself with her actions as long as it meant he was ok, and he was willing to let her go if she wanted someone else, and would have done anything to make sure she was happy, even if it meant saving his rival so she could be with him.

And, really, for all that she was playing cat and mouse with Jack, the only thing that saved Will from being ravished on the beach in the second movie was the audience...and I think everyone but Will knew it (I love the boy, but he can be naive...it's a good thing he has Elizabeth, who compensates for that.)

And, honestly, I don't understand how anyone can't see the appeal of people who are just that obsessively devoted to each other.

(The only other pairing I've ever been able to moderately understand is Elizabeth/Norrington...but that's only because he did genuinely-if naively and with rose colored glasses-love her, and she did care for him-certainly more than she ever did for Jack-she just didn't love him. If there's been no Will, I think they could have had a comfortable, companionable life together, even if it would have been rather passionless.)

I Love Me A Man In Uniform.

[redbrunja.livejournal.com]

What? The post-bar scene was freaking awesome. That was exactly the reaction that she would have, and I found it incredibly romantic. This is Veronica people, she was feeling vulnerable and scared and of course she lashed out - and guess, what, he kind of deserved it to!

And Norington/Elizabeth is who I cheat on my Will/Elizabeth with. The more I rewatched CotBP, the more I loved James, who was such a perfect example of the steadfast navel officer, so noble and stalwart, and clearly loved her, and ended up letting her go gracefully. (What they did to his character was a large part of why I didn't like the second movie, and I can't believe all the people who thought he was sexier gunked up than in that spiffy wig and uniform.)

And when did Elizabeth almost ravish him on the beach in the second movie? All a remember was the "if the bars weren't here, I'd have you right now." which *guh*

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[meganbmoore.livejournal.com]

I thought it was the perfect reaction, too. I wouldn't have blamed her for beating on him a little. Most VM fans tend to approach the show as Logan is the ultimate beloved woobie, and how dare that girl do anything but pet and fawn all over him, doesn't she realize how damaged he is? (Forget all her own trauma and the fact that he spent a year giving her every reason to hate him, and has spent the time since they started becoming friends and then more again flip flopping between reasons to love him and reasons to hate him...and oh yeah, the part where his father tried to burn her alive in a refrigerator.)

I very much see the appeal of the damaged, broken Norington being reunited with the woman he loves, only to learn that she's looking for the man he let her leave him for, because it casts him as a very tragic, romantic figure, but please, much more appealing all nice and clean. (I guess I can see the appeal of the scruffy look after a bath, brushing out the hair, but really...)

I disliked what was done to him in the second movie, but I never had issues with his actions. He did the noble thing and then lost everything because of it, and then was given a chance to get it all back, and he took it.

As far as ravishing goes...*points to icon* When they finally get over chasing each other all over the caribbean and Will finds them on the island where they found Davy Jones's heart. That girl was getting as much Will Turner as she could with people watching. I also handwave some of her actions in the movie as her being very sexually frustrated and being deprived of her wedding night. We know who would be saying they had to wait for the wedding, and it wouldn't be her. (And her father doesn't count.) That beach kiss was one of the best full body melds ever.

Out of curiosity, have you ever seen Last Exile? There's a character there who makes me think of Will(esp. in the "obsessive devotion to a woman far above his station" area.)

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[redbrunja.livejournal.com]

I haven't seen last Exile - do you think I would like it?

I also handwave some of her actions in the movie as her being very sexually frustrated and being deprived of her wedding night.

*snerk*

Oh, yes.

(I guess I can see the appeal of the scruffy look after a bath, brushing out the hair, but really...)

Yeah, when the boy has been sleeping with the pigs... yeah no.

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[meganbmoore.livejournal.com]

Last Exile is paced almost to the point of being slow and times, and the two main characters, while likable, are less interesting than the supporting cast, but it has a very good story and a lot of interesting characters and character dynamics(I'm very fond and the not-quite-triangle between the super angsty captain, his second in command, who is the future empress, and their coffee loving buddy, who has an empress complex that almost has to be seen to be believed)

It's also a very good look at steampunk in general, and has a lot of interesting female characters.

[smillaraaq.livejournal.com]

While there may be hatred mixed in, they would love her because she made them great and powerful. By her sheer force of will she would give them a sense of purpose and worth and bring them to her side. We've already seen it in season two...she went into a horde of her enemies and came out their leader by sheer force of will and charisma, and they had no idea what she'd done to them.

"In place of the Dark Lord you will set up a Queen. And I shall not be dark, but beautiful and terrible as the Morning and the Night! Fair as the Sea and the Sun and the Snow upon the Mountain! Dreadful as the Storm and the Lightning! Stronger than the foundations of the earth. All shall love me and despair!"

*buffs nails, smirks, and molests Dai Li man-harem*

(Hrm. This would work better if I had room for one of my Azula icons again.)

[meganbmoore.livejournal.com]

I..I...shoot...I swear I have read that, but can't remember what it's from. (That or it's been quoted to me a hundred times, which is always possible.)

One day, I shall make me an "Osai's Angels" icon and it will be the envy of my circle of Avatar fans. I just find it so hard to get motivated to make myself make icons-even just for me-for the amazingly popular stuff because...well...everyone is making them(I do better later on, though, when people stop making them.) The two I have I made because...well...most wouldn't make them(well, there are more than two...I needed choices for "Emo Zuko.")

ETA: LOTR. I would say "kill me now" but I will use 3:20 AM, 14 episodes of Slayers and attempting to repress the snark while making Gladiator icons as my excuse.

[redbrunja.livejournal.com]

Yeah, I'm not supercrazy about my ships - I can handle Zuko and Katara with other people (especially since I know Katara/Aang is what the show's creators are shipping) but Mai as a Fire Lady... she and Zuko where horrible together. She feeds his worst tendencies, and frankly, the BEST outcome for that marriage that I can see is some cold thing where she has nothing to do with ruling and complains of boredom while Zuko tries to rebuild the Fire Nation and wonders when her ennui stopped being sweet and became annoying. (Have an emotion damn you!)

Actually, I heard the contrary. I think BooterFreak confirmed that Maiko is the most HATED pairing in the fandom. And I've seen threads that could back this up, not just in shipping coms, but in coms like capslock_atla (they were killing the pairing!)

Good for capslock! I'm glad I'm not alone, but there are a couple really good authors and friends of mine who ship it, and I'm like, 'why?' (But I bite my tongue, because I have friends who say the same thing to me about Zutara, or at least think it, I'm sure.)

I'd hate to see Katara have to play hen mother for the rest of her life. I'd really like her to end up with someone, in a romantic sense, with someone who doesn't have to depend on her so much. Zuko and Haru are good examples, because they've proved that they're sensible, and don't need to be mothered or have things fixed for them.

*nods* And Zuko would protect her without ever forgetting how capable she is, which, to me, is really sexy. (I need to find a good plotbunny for something like that -Zuko taking care of her... well, actually I do, it's just a long, long Bluetara going to be AU off the latter end of the second season, and that I think is going to be my fun, frothy just-for-me fic.)

But one of my favorite pieces of fanon that I've seen several places is Katara being attracted to Zuko because when they need to shop for supplies he's practical, while everyone else would buy frivolous things.

Yeah, I think Jet honestly cared for Katara, and I know she was very attracted to him. In my head, there was serious makeout-age going on when they were both offscreen.

And my mother is just awesome. I love that we can share things like Avatar, and agree on our OTPs.

[redbrunja.livejournal.com]

Partially because I've heard them say that they were planning Kataang from the beginning, partially because they're been really consistant with building that ship, partically because, realistically speaking, they have 10 episodes left, and not quite enough Zuko/Katara interaction to justify them ending up together.

*shrugs*

I'm hoping that expect for Suki/Sokka, which, again, has been built from the 4th episode, they leave all the pairings vague, and let fanficcers have their fun.

These guys purposely reel us in with hints and commercials, and I find that completely immoral, even for a writer. It's alright to cocktease us once in a while, but constantly? When people's feelings are bound to get hurt? I cannot look up to someone like that.

I don't mind the teasing - in fact, that the author are clearly entertaining the idea is nice, to me. Besides, with shipping, you KNOW you're going to end up annoying somebody. How would all those Kataang shipper feel in suddenly Zuko/Katara became canon? (I've had writers do those fastballs, it always sucks).

I mean, I'd love it if Zutara WAS canon, but I don't think that's what they're writing. *shrugs* But I've never felt the need to rely on what the authors are writing for who I think would be good with each other. For example, in Death Note I was shipping L/Naomi, which... there's some subject, but not a lot.

Ditto. I like it when male characters can acknowledge the strengths their partners have.

One of my bulletproof story telling kinks is when the man character looks at the female character while she's kicking ass and goes, "that's hot."

[redbrunja.livejournal.com]

Those are all really good points. I mean, it would be awesome if that happened but... *shrugs* I'd rather just enjoy the UST and statisfy myself with fanfic.

[redbrunja.livejournal.com]

Kataang as a ending would be so easy to write out of. I Maiko happens I'm going to be screaming into pillows.

[redbrunja.livejournal.com]

A certain screencap/drawing of Mai and Zuko in cell doesn't look to reassuring.

Oh god please no. I am not doing to even think about that until I am forced to see it on my computer screen. Maiko is the ONE think I am PRAYING they don't do at the end of the series, because everything else I can write out my way out of (unless Zuko is dead and if that happens... somebody's getting kneecapped.)

I just hope that Mike and Bryan are AWARE of what that relationship really looked like - they're usually pretty good about knowing how characters would react realistically, so I'm really, really hoping that they don't to that. (Please, please, merciful spirits of the sun and moon.)

Also, don't Avatar have a history of promos/drawings that later turn out to be fake or severely misleading?

[redbrunja.livejournal.com]

Realistically? If my boyfriend, my childhood sweet heart left me with a note, a NOTE, instead of saying goodbye face to face, to go and join the Avatar, destroy the society which has been keeping my family's financial and overall well being secure, I would be PISSED. So angry, it would be pretty hard for me to forgive him.

But, see you have emotions. *giggle* I agree with this all by the way - or to phrase it another way, if Mai was picking Azula or Zuko, I cannot imagine her ever picking Zuko. (I'm still not convinced that Azula didn't strongly encourage Mai to make of move of Zuko, or at least let Mai know Azula approved.

With Kaataag, I find it easy to write out of because of the age, 'I love you but I don't love you' and the fact that I highly doubt that they're going write anything beyond a couple chaste kisses. (Whereas, if in the final scene of Zuko we see him as Fire Lord dating Mai... well, that's a much more rigid culture socially, imho - it's harder to go, 'they realized it wasn't working, and split.'

Even J.K knew that you didn't go off and walk into the sunset with your first boy/girlfriend! And to be honest, she was a little poor in writing the more romantic aspects of her story.

The latter books feel like reading fanfic to me for just that reason. I was like, 'this is like fanfic! Only the fanfic I read was better.' I have to say, scarring from Rowling is one reason I'm so twitch about what Mike and Bryan might do.

[redbrunja.livejournal.com]

*nods* And you've seen her annoyed before - but anger is really one of the few emotions she actually expresses.

And I can't ever image her turning her back on Azula - Ty Lee, I could see going off and doing something that makes her happy (she DID turn down Azula at first) but I think she realizes Azula won't let her go.

*nods*

Frankly, I'd rather not see it happen either. And I am anti-epilogue. At one point Jenny Crusie was talking about how you should never have either a prologue or an epilogue, because those are atomatically things the reader doesn't need to know - like how we started with Aang getting OUT of the iceberg (not going it) and after my experience with Rowling, I'm inclined to agree with her.

I think will be the same if Mike and Bryan screw up. I will remain the forever paranoid, perfectionist shipper. XD

Would you mind clarifying what you mean here? I'm a little confused.

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Nitpickers unite! I learned my skills at my mother's knee.

Yeah, Ty Lee is one of the few characters besides Zuko I could see switching sides.

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Yeah, I saw that scene, went 'oh how awesome, a kid's show doing a canon enemy pairing', got told it was an anime rip off, promptly forgot about it, and when I started watching from the beginning, somewhere around the end of season one I started thinking, 'was this THAT show? Was it?' and it was.

(But starting cold, I loved this pairing from before I watched it, and all the fire/water imagery plus the whole 'on opposites sides' thing just hit so many of my narrative kinks. Plus, I love Zuko like burning, and think he deserves someone really, really awesome.)