You Guys, I Just Realized That Sakura & Sasuke Are The Two Havles Of The Same Soul

[redbrunja]

Really.

Just look at the evidence:

Part 1: Sakura is badly written by Kishimoto, and drives the majority of the audience insane with annoyance. Sasuke is kinda cool.

Part 2: Sasuke is badly written by Kishimoto, and drives the majority of the audience insane with annoyance. Sakura is fantastically cool.

It's like they share a set amount of 'annoying' and when one takes, the other gives. *sigh*

Don't you see? They're soul mates. The last scene of the manga will be them getting married and/or surrounded by pink-haired, pinwheel-eyed children.

It's totally canon, don't bother arguing with me.

Shut up, Sakura x Sasuke are only the greatest romance since Bella and Edward! (OMG OTP!!1111!!!!)

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[redbrunja.livejournal.com]

That is my reaction to so many of my thoughts about Naruto. So very many.

[meganbmoore.livejournal.com]

*confiscates all of Red's Naruto stuff and creates Claymore, Black Cat, Fullmetal Alchemist, Kekkaishi, and Fairy Tale-you know, good shounen-to lead her away from the scary place*

At a certain point, and intervention is needed. Just look what happened to me when no one forced me to stop watching SGA after I all but wrote and elaborate deathfic reworking the show into my personal image? (All that was really needed was dialogue...)

*edit's to add Bleach, D.Gray-Man,, GinTama and Rurouni Kenshin to the list of shounen manga red might like that are better than Naruto. Though I suspect you'll get involved in the Bleach fandom and want to commit murder when you get into the Renji/Rukia/Ichigo/Orihime bit (though Renji/Rukia seem to be mostly sane and quiet, and Ichigo/Orihime seems to only flare up when provoked, for the most part...it's the Ichigo/Rukia ones that refer to other shippers as "the stupids" in my experience, though not all of course) and I'm not sure you've read enough shounen to really "get" GinTama, as it's 99.9% comedy and exists to mock shounen and shounen tropes and conventions-including the main character existing to kick the Train/Vash/Kenshin character type in the privates.

[redbrunja.livejournal.com]

Don't mention Black Cat to me know, it's annoying me, and after I fracking spent money on it too. Also, someone pimped Toppa Terra Guran Legan on the grounds that the women where OMG so much better and it was more of the same.

I'll stick with Naruto. Sure, it pissed me off, but that's why I read it! And it's one of the few shows where my standards are low enough to crawl over.

[meganbmoore.livejournal.com]

Hmm...which part of Black Cat doing what? All I know about TTGL is that it has a wanky fandom, judging by FS and bits I've heard.

*will never gets sticking with something that pisses you off, unless you've spent money on it*

[redbrunja.livejournal.com]

Mainly, it's the Eve is doing nothing, Rins is back to being the hostage without any diving off buildings, NOBODY is dying, even when it makes zero sense that they're alive, and it's doing the fantastically annoying 'Destined Enemies, No One Can Kill Thee But Me.'

It makes me want to shoot something.

And TTGL is good (from what I've seen) except that there is only one girl, and she's clearly awesome But Not As Awesome As The Two Boys, Even Though One Of Them Does Nothing But Worry That His Not Good Enough, And Only Shinji Has The Fucked Up Life To Make That Cute.

[mzminola.livejournal.com]

There's not just one girl! Yoko and Nia are the main-est, and then there's the Black siblings (Kiyoh, Kinon, Kiyal) and the engine-room woman, and Darry, and those are just the ones I can remember off the top of my head!

And if you're taking about Yoko, I can see where you're getting the Not As Awesome As The Boys thing, because she doesn't pilot a Ganmen, but she has a giant freaking rifle that she's the best with and is awesome in other ways!

And please either take that One Of Them Does Nothing But Worry That His Not Good Enough comment about Simon, or watch the rest of the show and then decide.

Sorry for jumping in like this defensively, but since I cared enough to cosplay...

[redbrunja.livejournal.com]

*see comment to mzminola below*

Basically, while I totally agree on Yoko's badassness, I am freaking sick of 'kicks ass in other ways' where there is clearly One Particular Way That You Must Kick Ass To Be Worshiped by the writers. (In FMA it's alchemy, in Naruto it's having massive chakra, in Black Cat it's being one of the numbers). It's like, 'why ISN'T Yoko a pilot? Why is it always, always, two BROTHER who have to save the world, instead of two siblings, or fuck, two sisters?'

I am just freaking sick of seeing women given the Total Badass But Not In This One Way that seems so very common.

[redbrunja.livejournal.com]

What I am basing my opinion on TTGL on are the six episodes I've seen so far, which in my opinion is a fair testing for wether or not I want to continue. And yeah, it sounds like it get more awesome further along the road - but since TTGL fits in with a lot of some of the same patterns of storytelling I'm seeing in other mangas and animes and getting annoyed with... I don't know if I want to but the time into the show to find out if those elements of storytelling go away.

[mzminola.livejournal.com]

I can see that, and if you'd found the show on your own, I'd say six episodes is a reasonable tester. But in this case you've got lots of friends vouching for it, including ones such as myself who adore good female characters.

And a good thing to keep in mind is that Gainax seems enthusiastic about awesome chickness, considering that Gunbuster and Diebuster are about Bad-Ass Female Mecha Pilots.

I guess what I'm saying is, you may have seen enough to keep going or not, but not enough to informedly lump it in with less-than-awesome stuff.

[redbrunja.livejournal.com]

And if you're taking about Yoko, I can see where you're getting the Not As Awesome As The Boys thing, because she doesn't pilot a Ganmen, but she has a giant freaking rifle that she's the best with and is awesome in other ways!

Yeah, I know, but I'm just so very, very sick of seeing that 'awesome but different' label slapped on the women in manga. Every single anime and manga I've watching is doing that right now, and it's driving me CRAZY!

It's like, 'why can't a girl pilot a gunman? What is the fracking deal here?'

And please either take that One Of Them Does Nothing But Worry That His Not Good Enough comment about Simon, or watch the rest of the show and then decide.

I'll take that one back, but I have to say, I have a super-low tolerance for the worry about being good enough characters. I do remember you mentioning that he gets over it.

And don't worry about jumping in, I know how it is to have those shows/characters that you're very protective of.

[mzminola.livejournal.com]

Well I hate to spoil, but if you keep watching you will see girls in Ganmen, both heroic and villainous. If you've gotten to Simon's self-doubt, you must have met Adianne...

Would I have cosplayed him if he spent too long doing that?

Thanks.

[meganbmoore.livejournal.com]

Yeah, I know, but I'm just so very, very sick of seeing that 'awesome but different' label slapped on the women in manga. Every single anime and manga I've watching is doing that right now, and it's driving me CRAZY!

Which is why you should just be reading/watching Claymore already.

Not only is it all about girls with swords who kick giant monster butt, but half of them have the "good and badass in this different way that doesn't let them do as much" things utilized to their utmost potential to show how stupid it is to say that's why they can't kick butt as much.

Have I shoved Twelve Reasons You Should Be Reading Claymore (http://meganbmoore.livejournal.com/713088.html)
at you?

*uses icon of current favorite panel*

[redbrunja.livejournal.com]

I just opened up a new browser and went to one manga in order to start reading.

[meganbmoore.livejournal.com]

Good good. It does start a bit slow and is best to just binge read until you get to the (fairly easy to spot) reveal in the Teresa arc around vol 4, but if you aren't addicted by the end of the Teresa arc, I'll be terribly confused.

*uses icon of previous favorite panel, where the blind nun is ripping her habit to the waist so she can go save the big strong men from the giant female tentacle monster*

[redbrunja.livejournal.com]

Good nun.

[meganbmoore.livejournal.com]

The nun (including before she was a nun) is one of my 5 very favorite characters, and was long before she was a nun. She's also and interesting twist on her trope long before that.

(I have my one ultimate favorite, Miria, but 2-5 tends to remain the same four, but the order changes.)

ETA: I should also warn that Claymore's mangaka doesn't care if a person is a blatant redshirt or a fan favorite. If s/he(no idea) decides it's time for someone to die, everyone is fair game, and seeming redshirts don't die and become well developed characters.

[meganbmoore.livejournal.com]

Hmm...not being sure exactly where you are but making a vague guess: Rins shouldn't be kidnapped long, and seems to be becoming something of Chronos's favorite freelancer, and was recently the only person Sven trusted enough to help him with something. The latest volume I've read (like most manga, I'm a volume or two behind) was mostly an Eve fight (with another sweeper basically fangirling on the sidelines) and the arc before it had some revelations about her.

There's one plot point you should hit soon that will likely aggravate you (I consider it the series's low point) but I think it does make sense in context of the character involved. And you should at least be to the point where the mangaka isn't writing Rinslet/Train nearly as much.

No one dying/destined enemies/"no one can kill you but me" I can't help you on. It plagues 90% of manga. It even has shoujo romance varieties.

[redbrunja.livejournal.com]

In the middle of volume 10. (As in, I got halfway through on the train, put my swag from KumoriCon away, and haven't felt the need to finish it. Part of that is I'm super enjoying the Alera Codex right now.)

And I'm glad to know it starts getting better relatively soon. And I'm morbidly curious about the series' low point.

[meganbmoore.livejournal.com]

In comparison to other manga, it isn't much of a low point. It just made me sigh bigtime when I got to it.

Where are you now in Codex Alera?

(In complete honesty, I kind of think CA is better than Dresden Files, and I get the feeling Butcher is enjoying playing in the high fantasy does ancient Rome playground more than he has the UF playground lately._

[redbrunja.livejournal.com]

I just finished book two. And I totally see what you mean - I kinda feel like he's dragging things out in The Dresden Files while what he's doing in Alera just seems to pop, if that makes sense.

Also, I'm loving Lady Aquitaine - now THAT is a well written villianess. And I'm really itching for more Fade/Isana, because I'm quite curious how the whole coward/stupid thing worked out, because she didn't seem to know who he was in book one (which may have been butcher cheating a bit) and I'm very intrigued to see how that plays out.

And Tavi's the High Lord's grandson, correct?

[meganbmoore.livejournal.com]

Well, with Dresden, I think I read that the publisher wants a certain total number of books, so the main plot has to last that long. Which is annoying.

With Fade/Isana, the very short version is "he decided to live a certain life, and she went with it because it was for the best." I've always read it as she'd treated him that way for so long that she couldn't really break character easily.

Lady Aquitaine is awesome, and gets moreso.

Tavi's parentage is easy to guess, and meant to be that way.

[redbrunja.livejournal.com]

Well, with Dresden, I think I read that the publisher wants a certain total number of books, so the main plot has to last that long. Which is annoying.

You took the words right out of my mouth.

Speaking of Fade/Isana... I am SO underwhelmed with them. I just finished the third book and that whole subplot with him almost dying? Okay, yeah, it was badass of Isana to manage to keep him alive for a whole month, but I just keep on wanting to smack them for being so selfish. I mean, they were BEING BESIEGED and you're taking an AMAZING healer out of comission for a month so she can save one man who should be fighting in the first place? I just keep wanting to yell at both of them to get their heads out of their asses and start fighting the good fight.

Also, I'm kinda sad that Tavi is able to use fury craft now, although the fact that Kitia can as well is very, very interesting.

In things I love - oh my god Max. I just want to cuddle him so very hardcore. He's like... Gojyo. Oh, my god, he's so very like Gojyo. (In fact, I spent the the whole book going, 'you know, I bet massive amounts of money that the abuse was sexual and not just physical.')

[meganbmoore.livejournal.com]

Max is love. Isana has issues. As does Fade. Which, IIRC, get explored in the next book.

I remain on the bitter side that Tavi is developing furies.

[redbrunja.livejournal.com]

I remain on the bitter side that Tavi is developing furies.

Oh my god word. It's like, 'what was the point? What was the point of his whole arc and the stuff with the romans and the high lord talking about how he doesn't NEED furycrafting when he has furycrafters to support him if he's just going to get furies late?'

It totally bites.

[meganbmoore.livejournal.com]

They do develop really slowly, and IIRC, he pretty much sucks with them the next book, so he doesn't exactly become superpowerful overnight or anything, but when the whole gimmick is that your lead is the only person without powers in a world where everyone has them...

(BTW, I think book 4 is when Isana/Fade clicked for me, but I've also been reading the books as they came out, which likely affects perception.)

[redbrunja.livejournal.com]

They do develop really slowly, and IIRC, he pretty much sucks with them the next book, so he doesn't exactly become superpowerful overnight or anything, but when the whole gimmick is that your lead is the only person without powers in a world where everyone has them...

Exactly. It's especially annoying when in that very book you find out that their ancestors DIDN'T have them originally, which... makes it so much more believable and interesting that he doesn't.

[redbrunja.livejournal.com]

Um, that would be me.

I was putting on my dumb shipper valley girl persona.

[redbrunja.livejournal.com]

Not a problem.

[okroginator.livejournal.com]

XD

(BUT ITACHI/ANKO IS TOTALLY CANON BECAUSE ITACHI LIKES SWEET THINGS AND DANGO IS A SWEET THING THAT ANKO ALSO LOVES, THEREFORE THEY LOVE EACH OTHER. I DID MY RESEARCH.)

[redbrunja.livejournal.com]

YES! AND SINCE YOU ARE WHAT YOU EAT, OBVIOUSLY ANKO TASTES LIKE DANGO AND THUS, ITACHI LOVES EATING.... *cough cough* DANGO WITH ANKO!

[tobu-ishi.livejournal.com]

*winces* Glargh. I admit, I like Sakura/Sasuke, but I like it mostly in a similar vein to my fondness for Jet/Katara: pain and disaster are fun to write. Also, somehow you have reminded me of the crazy Zutarians who embarrass me for being in the same ship as them with arguments like HE IS THE SUN AND SHE IS THE MOON or SCARS ARE HOT AND I'M TOTLI NOT PROJECTING MYSELF ONTO POOR KATARA. m(_ _)m *ded*

[redbrunja.livejournal.com]

Sasuke/Sakura is one of the few pairings I honestly don't like (unless it's in the future, when it's Sasuke wanting Sakura and she'd already moved on). I can only see it as a backsliding of Sakura's growth, and it just screams abusive boyfriend and the girl who's tough but takes it from this one guy because she loves him.

And I honestly think, 'look how well they balance and the complementary' is a good point with Katara/Zuko, as long as you're not going, 'OMG will/should be' canon.