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Wednesday, November 19th, 2008 05:50 pm
Stop giving Sakura make-overs.

That red top she wears? Looks awesome on her.

The normal "redheads should not wear pink" rule does not apply in this case and I'm really sick of reading about her getting new outfits because 'omg the red just looks so bad on her and she never really liked it.'

Does anybody get all uppity about Naruto. A ninja. Wearing. Orange? No.

She's worn the same shade and the same symbol on her back since the beginning of the series; I'm going to go out on a limb and say that it's clearly important to her.

Also, stop acting like Sakura nees her gloves. Read some of the latest chapters and pay attention to how Tsunade fights.

Sakura's gloves are clearly either a.) there for the psychological effect or b.) (my personal fanon) they keep her hands clean.

After all, medics need clean hands at all times.

Additionally, Sai is not mean. He is not malicious and does not take every opportunity to be hurtful to Sakura.

(And I will have a picspam up later tonight showing how ridiculous writing him like that is.)
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Thursday, November 20th, 2008 02:09 am (UTC)
I always figured that Sakura wore her gloves so that when she goes all SAKURASMASH™, her knuckles doen't bleed/get cut.

Writing Sai mean is just as OOC as writing him happy, or sad, or any other emotion, really; if he doesn't have a firm grasp of what it means to express his emotions, why would he purposely be an asshole? He's so impressionable, I doubt that he really knows what he's doing.

Naruto!fandom keeps me entertained. Most people just treat it like it's their own personal novel and change up character's looks and personalities when it suits them. It's crazy. :/
Thursday, November 20th, 2008 02:34 am (UTC)
I always figured that Sakura wore her gloves so that when she goes all SAKURASMASHâ„¢, her knuckles doen't bleed/get cut.

I think a lot of people do but that's never really made sense to me - she's punching with chakra,I would assume it would protect her, else she'd break her hands ever time she hit. (That said, I think she blooded her knuckles and broke bones when she was learning).

Writing Sai mean is just as OOC as writing him happy, or sad, or any other emotion, really; if he doesn't have a firm grasp of what it means to express his emotions, why would he purposely be an asshole?

Exactly. All his comments are usually caused because he doesn't know better (or possibly likes making Naruto crazy).

And I don't get where he could get the motivation to be mean - it doesn't make logical sense since people are less likely to help you, and it doesn't make social sense, because if he's learning how to interact from books, I highly doubt they have one that's calling 'how to be an asshole, just for the lulz"

And if there was a book called that, he'd probably go to Sakura and be like, "does not compute. restart y/n?" And she'd be like '*flips pages* do any of these things and I'll beat your face in."
Edited 2008-11-20 02:40 am (UTC)
Friday, November 21st, 2008 01:27 am (UTC)
Mm, I can see your point and I guess it's an angle you can definitely argue for. She could also just be wearing them for the added badassery that they bring, but I guess only Kishi knows. :/

LAWL. Didn't he learn that a key component to human interaction is learning to express himself or whatnot? That's why he calls Sakura ugly, Chouji a fatass and tells Naruto he has a small penis? I think it's all so hysterical; I really love Sai, now that I think about it.

I love the idea of Sai learning things through the books he reads - I need to read more fic about that. It would be so adorable.
Friday, November 21st, 2008 09:57 am (UTC)
LAWL. Didn't he learn that a key component to human interaction is learning to express himself or whatnot? That's why he calls Sakura ugly, Chouji a fatass and tells Naruto he has a small penis? I think it's all so hysterical; I really love Sai, now that I think about it.

Well, in that particular instance he was trying to grow closer to people through nicknames. It back fired horribly.
Thursday, November 20th, 2008 02:19 am (UTC)
I sooo agree with the clean hands thing - I rp her a lot, and that's my headcanon too. Why would she NEED them to punch, anyway? It's not like they're magic or something.

I saw a purple prose-y Sakura RP sample once where she was wearing a teensy strappy sundress that was described as showing an indecent amount of leg (the excuse was "it was hot out") to go ON A MISSION. A mission where she was leaving the village, to boot. She was about to run through the forest for god-knows-how long in a minidress. WHY.

I think a lot of people fail to understand that Sakura is painfully practical. Just look at her casual outfit! It's extraordinarily plain! I know everyone wants to make their character look ZOMGGORGEOUSANDPERFECT, but dressing up in cutesy clothing (especially in a professional environment) seems to generally be the last thing on Sakura's mind.
Thursday, November 20th, 2008 02:31 am (UTC)
Yes! I mean, Sakura's outfit is both attractive and WAY more practical than just about every other ninja on the show.

She was about to run through the forest for god-knows-how long in a minidress. WHY.

Because, duh, she's a whore because she's a woman and all girls dress like whores, duh.

I sooo agree with the clean hands thing - I rp her a lot, and that's my headcanon too. Why would she NEED them to punch, anyway? It's not like they're magic or something.

Just a few chapters ago Kishimoto proved that she DOESN'T need them to punch, which made me very happy.
Thursday, November 20th, 2008 03:15 am (UTC)
They were the kind of RPer who bases EVERYTHING on their favorite pairing, so that's probably why.

With those types, they refuse to join an RP unless its with someone who'll RP their ship, their character cannot spend ten seconds without thinking about significant other, they refuse to interract with other characters except to feul their ship somehow, and they're inexplicably gorgeous at all times, just to make sure everyone wants to looove them.

It annoys me. As much as I adore pairings, so many people turn their character into someone who's pretty much meaningless without their boyfriend or girlfriend. It's like they see them as half of a relationship, not a person. She wasn't Sakura, she was Naruto's Beautiful Sex Kitten Who Can Do No Wrong.
Monday, November 24th, 2008 07:55 am (UTC)
I don't RP a lot, but I've read fics like that, and it drives me up a fucking wall.
Thursday, November 20th, 2008 02:52 am (UTC)
You speak such lovely truths. I get reeeeeeally tired of people going, "ZOMG!!1!!!1! sakura is in blak wit blak nales n ZOMG!" *rolls eyes* Sakura is cute enough as is. Period. I love the fact that she's such a girlie girl... but she's a girlie girl who can kick your ass faster than you can finish giving her such a stupid makeover.

Also... big red truck on Naruto's jumpsuit onesie. *snorts* Don't see THAT ninja coming a mile away.

But really, Kishimoto as always had certain colors sort of cast for certain characters. ALL manga-ka do that. I don't remember the specifics but there's something in Japanese culture that has to do with color association. I'll have to see if I can find that article again... somewhere. Regardless, red/pink is Sakura's color. Deal with it. Give her going out clothes and such. But she wears red when she's gonna hand someone their anus.

Personally, I always thought Sakura's gloves were a necessary thing for her training. As in, she needs them to keep her hands from getting too cut up while busting rocks and such. She's still very much a novice, after all, so it stands to reason that Tsunade, who's been doing this for YEARS, has either a) calloused her knuckles up or b) has gotten so good at the chakra use that she doesn't need gloves. So... maybe think of the gloves as shin guards or something. They don't actually give her power or anything, merely protect her from scrapes.

And yes, Sai is NOT purposely malicious or cruel. He's just incredibly socially awkward and got some reeeeeally shitty advice from some craptastic self-help books.
Thursday, November 20th, 2008 02:57 am (UTC)
You speak such lovely truths. I get reeeeeeally tired of people going, "ZOMG!!1!!!1! sakura is in blak wit blak nales n ZOMG!"

Thank you. I once read a fic with Sakura wearing black nail polish and then claiming she had given up all girly/feminine things, like black nail polish isn't the most time intensive color to put on.

ALL manga-ka do that. I don't remember the specifics but there's something in Japanese culture that has to do with color association.

Exactly! It's so freaking obvious that I don't get why more people don't get it.

Personally, I always thought Sakura's gloves were a necessary thing for her training. As in, she needs them to keep her hands from getting too cut up while busting rocks and such. She's still very much a novice, after all, so it stands to reason that Tsunade, who's been doing this for YEARS, has either a) calloused her knuckles up or b) has gotten so good at the chakra use that she doesn't need gloves. So... maybe think of the gloves as shin guards or something. They don't actually give her power or anything, merely protect her from scrapes.

I buy this when she was beginning, but now I can gleefully point to a couple of chapters and be like, 'hands clean! pysches her up! not needed for the fight itself.' Which has always been what I thought, based on how the whole chakra strength thing works with its explaination.

She's also not wearing gloves when she utterly owns Sai.
Edited 2008-11-20 02:59 am (UTC)
Thursday, November 20th, 2008 03:07 am (UTC)
*snickers* Yeah, tell me about it. Green and black SUCK for nail colors! Plus... she's a medic. Medics do NOT wear nail polish. Ever. It's a little thing called chemical contamination. I don't care if she heals with chakra. If you're around open, bleeding wounds and such, you don't wear nail polish.

Perhaps the color thing is just one of those things that's just so painfully obvious no one really thinks about it.

Two points about the gloves: 1) Yes, she totally owned the fight with the giant, stupid centipede thing. And she did it without her "magic gloves". To me, that obviously points out that she's improved enough NOT to need them. 2) The part you're referencing with Sai... She wasn't trying to kill him, just make him bleed a bit. Therefore, she wouldn't "need" her gloves to do that. The reason she hauled them out on Kakashi was because she needed to come at him with the intent to kill to get those bells. Personally... I think it would have been better if she'd just grabbed his crotch, shocked him into a, "Oh, holy shit... student... holding my cock... biggest fantasy coming true..." coma and snatched the damn things... but that's just me being a jolly perv. And maybe projecting what I would have done in her place.
Thursday, November 20th, 2008 03:14 am (UTC)
Personally... I think it would have been better if she'd just grabbed his crotch, shocked him into a, "Oh, holy shit... student... holding my cock... biggest fantasy coming true..." coma and snatched the damn things... but that's just me being a jolly perv. And maybe projecting what I would have done in her place.

can't type... to busy laughing....

And thanks for the comment on nail polish... although Tsunade wears it....

Personally, I like black nail polish, but to get it to look good you need to put on two heavy coats and then one of clear, so it's REALLY NOT a fast, easy manicure, you know?
Edited 2008-11-20 03:15 am (UTC)
Thursday, November 20th, 2008 05:11 am (UTC)
Personally, I like black nail polish, but to get it to look good you need to put on two heavy coats and then one of clear, so it's REALLY NOT a fast, easy manicure, you know?

One wonders when the Akatsuki schedules time to do theirs.

"Pein-sama, I have intelligence that the Kyubbi will be in our area on a mission on Thursday. Perhaps it would be best to go after him when he's not in Konoha's walls."

"Thursday, you said? No good. We've got that appointment with the good nail place then. If we cancel we'll have to go to the other one down the street, and that one woman there scares me."

"But Pein-sama--"

"Our nails, Konan."
Thursday, November 20th, 2008 09:26 pm (UTC)
You know it.

Only I totally think it is an inner Atakasuki thing, and that people end up pairing up or trading off or the like.
Thursday, November 20th, 2008 09:42 pm (UTC)
Probably a person's partner does it, I just think the idea of the Akatsuki going to a nail place for mani pedi's from bossy Asian women is hilarious.

Although, hm. Now that I think about it, at some point this conversation must have occurred:

"You know what, Itachi-san? I can do my own. No, no, it's fine, I'll do yours, it's just you're painting my whole finger."

"..."
Monday, November 24th, 2008 07:52 am (UTC)
Oh, poor Kisame.

He's so put upon.
Friday, November 21st, 2008 03:27 pm (UTC)
*snickers* Seeing as that was the ONE fight scene Kishimoto glossed over... I might have to play with it a bit in Double Edged. Like Sakura moves in for some close quarters combat to distract Kakashi with while Naruto makes an attack from another angle. He says something quippy, she replies back... and in retaliation, he slaps her ass as she turning to land a kick to his chest. Sakura, equal parts pissed that he'd spanked her and not wanting to let him get the final blow, says, "You missed. My breasts are up HERE!"

To which Kakashi has one of those, 'Wuuuuuaaaah?!" moments shortly before he realizes Naruto's about to jump his ass.

Tsunade can wear nail polish because she's more on the administrative end of things now. She doesn't really do a lot of field work, so she can wear it.

*snorts* Yeah, tell me about it. Black nail polish is fun... but it is SUCH a bitch to put on, and put on well. And then removing it too...
Sunday, November 23rd, 2008 08:02 am (UTC)
Ooooh, that sounds like fun. (psst, check out this entry:

http://redbrunja.livejournal.com/237070.html)
Wednesday, November 26th, 2008 04:06 pm (UTC)
... If I've not said it before, I'll say it now:

You. Are. Worshipped. Adored, even.

I'll definitely be checking out those recs of yours then. And I look forward to whatever original vampire fic you come up with. I'd started one a while back that never really came to complete fruition... but I'm working on another one where the female lead is just a straight up, normal detective. She will not be gaining powers. She will not be snogged by her hot vampire partner. In fact, when someone asks him if they're seeing each other, he'll point blank sneer and say, "Are you kidding? We vampires have a strict rule; only fuck attractive people." To which she'll say, "We humans have a strict rule; nail all asshole vamps in the balls for making rude comments."

But it's still very much in the works. Her partner is definitely gonna be snarky and a little mean to her... but they'll work together well. Opening sequence is going to involve a less-than -pretty vamp coming to them for help.

Partner: *lip curls* Who made you?

Vamp: Um... *insert name here*

Partner: *snorts* Figures. He/she never did have a very critical eye.

Vamp: *completely deflated*

Female Lead: *glares at partner* Neither did your maker.

Partner: *glares back* Don't be jealous, Type O.


He's got several nicknames for her, most of them referring to her as being bland. Such as Type O, the universal donor. In this fic, the blood types will have a different taste to them, type O being bland and generally uninteresting... unless the person they drink from was drunk or something.

But don't worry... female lead will get her own back. I just want to establish a work only relationship with these two... while giving potential fans a love/hate relationship they can squeal over.
Wednesday, November 26th, 2008 06:00 pm (UTC)
Thank you! And we totally need to do a trade-off of vampire fiction (when I actually have written some.)

And that story sounds awesome, as does the heroine.

But don't worry... female lead will get her own back. I just want to establish a work only relationship with these two... while giving potential fans a love/hate relationship they can squeal over.

Nice. I like the idea of different blood types having different tastes. Also, if you add romance, just make sure that the heroine interacts with him as interesting as she does with the guy she's NOT interested it. I hate it when authors make that mistake.
Friday, November 28th, 2008 05:22 pm (UTC)
Oh, of course she will! She's not gonna have a split personality or anything, trust me.

I'm trying to decide now whether I wanna write this first person or not. The concept is down... but how to write it is still baffling me. On the one hand, writing it first person would make characterizing her easy. But it is sooooo overdone! On the other hand, qualapec once said that my writing style caters to a third-first perspective; I write from third person but have a tendency to make it FEEL like first person. So, if that's the case then it'd make sense to play from my strengths...

But yes, we should exchange what we've got once we've got it. I'm terribly curious to see what you rock out.
Friday, November 28th, 2008 06:52 pm (UTC)
Oh, of course she will! She's not gonna have a split personality or anything, trust me.

Oh, I'm sure! I've just read too many books where you have the character that the protagonist starks with, and then the less-interesting guy who she is nice with, and OF COURSE we end up shipping her with the guy she "doesn't like" because we are entertained and see them interacting more.

And I would recommend 3d person. First, I like 3d better, second you're good at it, and third, 1st person is INCREDIBLY over used, especially for urban fantasy. Like, the only urban fantasy on my shelves that's NOT in first person was written in the 80s.
Thursday, November 20th, 2008 01:34 pm (UTC)
*chuckles* I once read a fic where Sakura was sold to a ninja brothel(??), could think of no way to escape except the sweet release of death(!!), and tried to slit her wrists with a potato peeler.

And failed.

This was all written quite straight-facedly as being a very serious and tragic chronicle of Sakura's brave yet unending struggle with the terrible misery we call life. Oh, badfic, you always bring the lulz.
Thursday, November 20th, 2008 04:21 pm (UTC)
I once read a fic where Sakura was sold to a ninja brothel

Ninja brothel? As it, a brothel where the whores are ninjas? Sweet jesus that is asking for so much trouble.

And call me crazy, but I like to think that Sakura is competant enough to slit her wrists if she needs to. Or, you know, escape.
Thursday, November 20th, 2008 10:36 pm (UTC)
Yes, apparently it was a brothel of the ninjas, by the ninjas, for the ninjas? I forget the exact details, but it was like...a place for families to dispose of unwanted daughters or something? Because Konoha is just that cuttthroat and dog-eat-dog of a place. Yes.

Aw, but Red, where would be the angst in success? Clearly Sakura has exactly enough skill to give her false hopes, to allow for more tragical weepweeping when she fails. Angst is the stuff of great literature. :O
Friday, November 21st, 2008 10:07 am (UTC)
Yes, apparently it was a brothel of the ninjas, by the ninjas, for the ninjas? I forget the exact details, but it was like...a place for families to dispose of unwanted daughters or something? Because Konoha is just that cuttthroat and dog-eat-dog of a place. Yes.

What, so it's too much trouble to send them on a suicide mission now? Jesus, that is just so fucking impractical.
Friday, November 21st, 2008 10:45 am (UTC)
What, and waste perfectly good melodramatic plot devices wimmins? Considering the average seduction skills of the typical Leaf Village guy, obviously a brothel had to be established or 9/10ths of the male villagers would never get any. :/
Monday, November 24th, 2008 07:45 am (UTC)
Considering the average seduction skills of the typical Leaf Village guy, obviously a brothel had to be established or 9/10ths of the male villagers would never get any. :/

This is true. Because, I mean, not even intense sexual deprivation would make them go for the average Leaf nin - after all, that's what Kakashi and you know, each other are for.
Monday, November 24th, 2008 02:47 pm (UTC)
Why, naturally! It's a miracle the Leaf Village has lasted this long, considering the quality of its menfolk...though really it's the boyfolk who are most lacking, come to think of it. Kakashi's generation has its share of reasonably attractive and sensible men, at least...
Monday, November 24th, 2008 06:18 pm (UTC)
I think that may be an inevadable result of the whole boys versus men divide.

But now I feel less bad about how many older/younger pairings I have in that fandom.
Thursday, November 20th, 2008 04:48 am (UTC)
Aside from the fact that, for some bizarre reason, Kishimoto draws clothes that don't quite properly fit people (at least in my opinion), I'm in agreement on the clothes bit.

As for the gloves, I personally think the function is twofold. One reason is to keep them from getting banged up. Not that she necessarily needs them to prevent bruising and scraping, but it's an added layer of protection for long, difficult, hard fights. Second, and more prominent, is the psychological. Gloves off: healer mode. Gloves on: fighter mode. This is my personal fanon, at least.

Clean hands I'd buy if I didn't already have to suspend my disbelief quite a stretch with regards to medicine. Not only does all of the doctor need to be clean to perform surgery, and the tools, but the environment needs to be sterile, too. Battlefield medicine is something a hospital doctor would cringe at. People died of infections most often after such procedures. It seems to not be much of a concern, so I make the assumption that either a medic can prevent infection with chakra or ninja are, for some reason, more resilient to infection.

It just seems strange to me for a medical specialist to care about one thing not being sterile, and not everything else.
Thursday, November 20th, 2008 09:35 pm (UTC)
Gloves off: healer mode. Gloves on: fighter mode

Makes sense to me.

People died of infections most often after such procedures. It seems to not be much of a concern, so I make the assumption that either a medic can prevent infection with chakra or ninja are, for some reason, more resilient to infection.


Good point. I'd always figured that chakra could help kick out infection. Otherwise, healing a cut could go disastariously wrong.
Friday, November 21st, 2008 07:08 am (UTC)
Good point. I'd always figured that chakra could help kick out infection. Otherwise, healing a cut could go disastariously wrong.

Exactly. No point in healing a wound if you're going to trap in a bacterial infection.

I have a pet theory (absolutely no basis in canon, but I think it'd be cool) that chakra messes with the immune system: it fights infections and pathogens and regulates immuno-response so that allergies are rare. The downside would be that what gets by it would be pretty devastating and impossible to treat (like those multi-drug resistant strains of TB), and that if someone did develop an allergy it would likely be fatal.
Edited 2008-11-21 07:15 am (UTC)
Friday, November 21st, 2008 07:53 am (UTC)
Oh, that would be cool! And a really fun idea to play with.
Thursday, November 20th, 2008 05:02 am (UTC)
Not getting into the Sakura thing because 1) I agrees, 2) all the other wonderful commentators agree, 3) playing dress-up is best in fan-art, not fanfic when no matter how good a description you give of the clothes, in a few sentences your readers will mentally default to their normal picture of the character.

Does anybody get all uppity about Naruto. A ninja. Wearing. Orange? No.
This is why it's probably good I stay away from the Naruto fandom- I have no problems with ninja in bright, shiny colors. It's their headbands I object to:
Ninja are best when one doesn't know they're a ninja, yes? The all-in-black is a theater thing; dressing them like the stagehands gave them a creepy "do not notice until too late" edge. In real life, dressing in all-covering black would actually be pretty suspicious. Real life ninja, in the past and if there's some now, I'm fairly confident would dress like civilians.
But the headbands! If all the ninja wear those metal headbands with the symbols on them, then all one has to do to identify someone as a ninja is look for the shiny, distinctive piece of metal.
Naruto-verse ninja are more like...Magical Mercenaries. Which are still cool.

This ain't an objection, it just amuses me.

Sidenote: I keep meaning to link you to this: Ino and Kiba silliness. (http://ormsqueak.deviantart.com/art/KibaIno-silliness-sniff-sniff-34495482)
Thursday, November 20th, 2008 09:31 pm (UTC)
playing dress-up is best in fan-art, not fanfic when no matter how good a description you give of the clothes,

Or when they're supposed to be dressing up in the fic. Like, when they're undercover or at a party, I can easily imagine them in something else. But day to day? It's just jarring.

And that link just makes me incredibly happy.
Thursday, November 20th, 2008 08:59 pm (UTC)
Ugh. Sakura makeovers annoy me, unless it's something believable (her wearing a jonin vest in a future fic for example). But the worst offense? Sakura growing her hair long . Ugh! It makes me want to punch things (with gloves on!)

Sai is such an awesome character because when he's mean, he's mean with absolutely zero ill-intentions (actually, if you've ever read/watched Ouran High School Host Club, he kind of reminds me of Haruhi...). The most you could peg him with is apathy, and even then he's just the guy who says what everyone else is thinking. It's more of a lack of a mind to mouth filter/tact/concept of social norms than being a jerk.
Thursday, November 20th, 2008 09:08 pm (UTC)
But the worst offense? Sakura growing her hair long . Ugh! It makes me want to punch things (with gloves on!)


OH MY GOD I KNOW. It's like they totally missed the whole point of her cutting her hair in the first place. And it wouldn't be half as bad if they ever gave a psychological reason for why, but now, it's always just 'now her hair is waist length' and I'm like, 'DIAF.'

The most you could peg him with is apathy, and even then he's just the guy who says what everyone else is thinking. It's more of a lack of a mind to mouth filter/tact/concept of social norms than being a jerk.

Yes. He's never mean to be mean, and unlike Sasuke, half of the time he doesn't even get why people would be upset.
Friday, November 21st, 2008 03:27 am (UTC)
Additionally, Sai is not mean. He is not malicious and does not take every opportunity to be hurtful to Sakura.

THANK YOU. Honestly, I go to read Sakura/Sai to cheer me up, and I come away distraught at characterization.
Friday, November 21st, 2008 03:51 am (UTC)
THANK YOU. Honestly, I go to read Sakura/Sai to cheer me up, and I come away distraught at characterization.

I know! And it's like, 'okay, admittedly, if Sai is hard to write' - witness how little Sai x Sakura I'Ve written. But surely you can see when you're doing it so. very. wrong.