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I mentioned in the car ride yesterday, how utterly glad I am that I got into Naruto. If Avatar is the sweet, awesome boyfriend that didn't quite end well, Naruto is the rebound guy who you kinda hate but hook up with because the sex is hot and violent.

And then I have my happy, shippy, 'OMG they're totally made for each other' Sakura/Kakashi place.

....And it's a damn, damn good thing that I'm here because I hate it, if you know what I'm saying:

Wow, that goodbye gesture Sakura's making looks really, damn obscene.

Goddamn long training montage that has Naruto stealing Sakura's type of attacks.

Fuck you, Kishimoto.

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I KNOW! HE HATES WOMEN AND WANTS TO PUNISH ALL HIS FEMALE CHARACTERS AND THE WOMEN WHO LOVE THEM!

Let's be honest, Naruto is naturally quite strong, with all his crazy chakra and stuff. Stealing Sakura's thunder is just... so tacky.

I am so pissed at the manga in general, that I don't think there is a way for him to even begin to save ANY grace.

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In my happy place, Naruto sucks at sage techniques, expect for as boosting his clone techniques, and when he tries to show off for Sakura, she's like, 'I can do better' and does.

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I don't think it has any higher chance of happening, though.

I don't think of that as an obscene gesture (I honestly think that's an American thing) so it didn't bother me - I didn't even notice it.

I'm not sure what to think about Naruto's new training methods - I'm skeptical about whether or not he's going to be able to learn it. We'll see.

I don't think it WAS an obscene guesture, but it looked remarkably similar to the 'up yours' motion. Which, is pretty damn funny considering what happens later in the chapter.

I may hate myself after, but...explanation of both?

(Remember: The real reason you read is to help me remember why I don't.)

That right there is the best excuse I actually have to read Naruto.

Basically, the way Kishimoto drew Sakura waving goodbye looks really obscene to my eyes, even though I know that's not what Kishimoto intended.

And Naruto's just had the explaination of what he's going to be learning, and they mentioned that it will boost illusions (illusions are what Sakura is innately good at, from way back in the beginning) and make him super strong (which is what Tsunade taught Sakura already, as something that requires perfect chakra control).

It's like me and SGA. The future seasons call to me. Because Ronon is pretty and Sam is there and Elizabeth and Teyla are cool.

And...yes. Glad I stopped. I actually suspect I'll find out where I uit and binge through the end if it ever ends, but I kind of hope I don't fall prey to that.

(Naruto? Perfect chakra control? Since when? And that one's been Sakura's thing since the beginning.)

(Right, which was why Sakura's super strength made sense. Naruto, however, is going to learn how to draw energy from the world around him - like he doesn't have enough chakra already - to, they say, get the same result. As you can imagine, I'm pissed.)

On the topic of Sakura/Kakashi, I'd like to bring something up from waaaaaay back. When the original Team 7 was doing the tree-climbing exercise in the Land of Mist or Waves or whatever, Sakura totally dominated Naruto and Sasuke. It was awesome. Naruto swallowed his pride and asked for advice. Another great character moment.

But after that, Sakura went to guard the bridge. Naruto and Sasuke were continuing to train and improve, but Sakura just sat there. She could've done, I don't know, meditation or practiced illusion techniques or throwing weapons. Hell, maybe she did, but we can only make assumptions since I recall that she was just shown sitting around being bored for one panel.

For the sake of this argument, I assume she did nothing. That's partly her fault and partly Kakashi's, but I think more of the blame rests on Kakashi, since he's the teacher and should know better. I think that's how you ruin gifted students--you praise them for getting ahead of everyone else, then you let them slack off in the back of the classroom until the bell rings. Kakashi was effectively teaching her to give the minimum effort, then sit around being bored.

Do you have an alternate interpretation of that, or is it just a sign of how Sakura's motivation has grown over the course of the manga and how Kakashi used to focus too much on Sasuke and/or Naruto? Or do you just follow the "she was training offscreen and it was never mentioned" school of thought?

Oh, please do bring up things from way back! I loved the moment as well. It was one of the few places where Sakura gets to shine, and I love it. If Sakura had had a different team and I different teacher, I have no doubt she would have been the teacher beloved student and the pride of the team.

First of all, guard duty = boring. I think training would have distracted her from watching, and you're not supposed to be doing anything besides looking around when you're guarding something like that.

That said, I read it as Kishimoto doing the same thing he always does with Sakura - sidelines her to focus on the males.

As for Kakashi - I love him dearly, but I think he was a bad teacher for ALL of them.

I think that's how you ruin gifted students--you praise them for getting ahead of everyone else, then you let them slack off in the back of the classroom until the bell rings. Kakashi was effectively teaching her to give the minimum effort, then sit around being bored.

Well said. With the additional comment that Kakaishi is not a driven teacher, and would not hunt around for things to teach her while he has Sasuke to focus on. Hell, can you imagine what would have happened if Kakashi had said to Sakura, even once, 'I bet Sasuke would be most impressed by ninja skills?'

He was a bad teacher for Sasuke because he saw too much of himself in the Uchiha, and assumed (incorrectly) that Sasuke would make choices in a way he didn't. He didn't think Naruto really had potential until later and ignored him.

Naruto only learned so much during that time (imho) because had had Sasuke to strive to beat.

So, in that particular bridge instance, I think Sakura was just waiting around being bored.

IN GENERAL, however, I think she spends more of her time learning. Remember about how well she did at the written exam? And how well she did at hand to hand and classic ninja skills against Ino?

However, I think Sakura feel prey to the classic 'study what you're good at', so she didn't get a balanced education, until Tsunade took her aside and trained her. I'm sure post timeskip Sakura has a much more well rounded set of ninja skills, and more importantly, knows what she needs to practice.

To bring this back to Kakashi/Sakura, the things that make them TOTALLY FAIL as a student and teacher would make them work well as a team. For example, you have someone trained as a hunter paired with someone trained in evasion and someone who's most powerful attacks leave them physically debilitated paired with a medic-nin.

And I really hope you check back, since you posted anonymously. This is a fun conversation to have. ^_^

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