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[redbrunja]

From fannish5 :

Name five non-canoncial couples that you would like - or would have liked - to see get together in canon.

5.) Luke and Lorelai, Gilmore Girls

Okay, sure, they were engaged at once point, but as time goes by (play it again Sam) the more pissed off I am that Lorelai didn't get her wedding and husband. Rory's arc were all external; while she had a lot of romance, most of her arc boiled down to her interacting with the world. In the early season she spent more time on her and Chilton than her and Dean, she spent her freshman year at Yale single, one of the reasons that the Huntzburger arc had impact was that as it went on it started interacting with her journalistic aspirations. That's why it was so great that she ended the series on her own, unfettered and about to fly off into the world; her whole journey was about preparing herself for the big wide world.

Lorelai's arcs, however, where always much more interpersonal. It was about her reconciling with her parents and finding the right man to build a life with, to get a chance to marry and have a second child with someone she loved. In that light and considering that Gilmore Girls lasted seven season, it is flatly criminal that she didn't end up (and by end up I mean married and happy) with Luke.

4.) Hakkai x Yaone, Saiyuki

This was planned as canon until Minukura realized that what she really wanted was an incredibly subtexy series. I still think it would have been awesome, and would have been a great way to give Hakkai the life he wants. Plus, what woman wouldn't kill to get into a relationship with Cho Hakkai? I know I would.

3.) Katara x Zuko, Avatar

You all knew this one was coming.

2.) Fakir x Ahiru, Princess Tutu

She willingly showed him her duck-form/true form. For a magical girl anime that is like... giving someone your letterman jacket.

1.) Sakura x Sai, Naruto

As OTP as I am about Kakashi x Sakura, with Kishimoto's gender issues, there is NO WAY that he could write that pairing in a way that wouldn't be skeevy.

On the other hand, you have Sai, who's clearly drawn as Sakura's equal, is someone she doesn't hold back against, thinks she's pretty,  was crushing on her fist, and likes to totally cockblocks Naruto around her. Sai is like Saskue v2.0 - he's hot, skilled, and lacks that nasty traitorous blood (I would argue that Sasuke does not know how to be loyal to anything) and bad attitude towards the people who love him. ADDITIONALLY, Sai would show that Sakura has grown enough to pick quality over the brand name, while nonetheless landing her with a boy-toy would make Ino drool with envy.

Comments

[meganbmoore.livejournal.com]

Can you point me to where Minekura has said that? I've never heard anything along those lines before.

ETA: And I'd argue that Ahiru/Fakir is the series central pairing, and canon. I don't think ending up together/not ending up together is the main definer of whether or not something is canon, if there's something (not another canon pairing, but death, exile, etc.) that specifically prevents that ending.

[redbrunja.livejournal.com]

(http://s190.photobucket.com/albums/z47/redbrunja/?action=view&current=BlackWhiteLovers.jpg)

This was a page from her original doujinishi.

And here is a pic of an sticker book she did.....

(http://s190.photobucket.com/albums/z47/redbrunja/?action=view&current=BrightCover.jpg)

So I'm pretty sure she was intending to do more with them than she ended up doing.

And as for Fakir/Ahiru... this is a 'canon is not a binary' situation. Sure I think they're totally in love, I think the creator has quoted something to that effect, but Ahiru ALSO spends the entire series crushing on and loving Mytho, and Fakir has never SAID anything to the effect of 'I like Ahiru' (quite the opposite in fact).

So I don't find it more canon than, say, Riza/Roy or Kyon/Haruhi.

TUTU SPOILERS

[rashaka.livejournal.com]

I love talking about PT! Warning, longish post below because I babble, oh I babble.


Ahiru ALSO spends the entire series crushing on and loving Mytho, and Fakir has never SAID anything to the effect of 'I like Ahiru' (quite the opposite in fact).

My interpretation of canon was stronger than that, since I'd say into the second half of the series Ahiru's motives have clearly shifted from being romantic about Mytho to wanting to protect him--and her desire to "protect" his "wonderful purity of love" (or whatever) was part of her feelings from the start, equal to and eventually overtaking her idol crush on him.

Oddly, very few things in PT are explicitly stated, and a lot of it is interpretation, but that's something that I enjoyed about it. With other shows I might need a verbal confirmation of "I love you/I love you too" to officially dub it canon, but with PT I don't. Fakir called her his princess, they were more honest with each other than with anyone else in the show, and they danced The Climactic Dance Of Emotion...in PT, pas de deux=expressing your love, as equal to a verbal expression.

But taken out of the context (is that possible?) without the pas de deux at the end, I could agree that it's not canon. PT is unique for me in that I willingly accept non-spoken gestures as having the same canon validity as spoken words, since so much of the story is built and executed on that premise.

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Re: TUTU SPOILERS

[redbrunja.livejournal.com]

I totally agree with you. (And oh, man, that moment we Fakir calls Ahiru his princess.... I kind a died a little inside.)

That said, (to play devil's advocate) because it IS more open to interpertation and each character is shown interacting with most of the others, I don't think it's a series where you can make hard and fast this is/isn't canon statements.

Re: TUTU SPOILERS

[rashaka.livejournal.com]

I made an icon for that moment, I loved it so:





bonus:

Re: TUTU SPOILERS

[redbrunja.livejournal.com]

Pretties!

[meganbmoore.livejournal.com]

I've never been able to interpret Ahiru's love for Mytho as remotely romantic, even when I first saw it. I think she thought she was supposed to love him because she was being a human girl and he was handsome and the prince and the story said she was supposed to, but it was always about saving him, not wanting to be with him. Though not given as much focus, she seemed to have a much stronger investment in saving Rue, which I think is because she saw Mytho as a prince, but Rue as a person.

Hawkeye/Mustang in the anime is fairly onesided and vague until the very end, but mutual and all but explicit in the manga, so that would likely depend on which version you're going with.

[redbrunja.livejournal.com]

I've never been able to interpret Ahiru's love for Mytho as remotely romantic, even when I first saw it.

Well, that's a YMMV thing. To me, they were very clear about the fact that she loved him, even if she gradually came to realize that she wasn't sure WHY she did. And as for not being with him... I don't think that precludes romantic love, and in a sense says MORE about the strength of her feelings that she desperately wanted to be with him and couldn't yet still helped him to the best of her ability.

[okroginator.livejournal.com]

I like this point that you are making.

[redbrunja.livejournal.com]

*nods*

Oh, I'm not saying it's not understandable, but I DO think it's a character trait a lot of people ignore or gloss over.

[redbrunja.livejournal.com]

I think him being pretty traitorous is a much less flattering aspect of his screwed up pysche than, say, his issues with his brother and such, so fandom is less likely to write about it.

[okroginator.livejournal.com]

Sai would show that Sakura has grown enough to pick quality over the brand name, while nonetheless landing her with a boy-toy would make Ino drool with envy.

YES. THIS.

[redbrunja.livejournal.com]

Thinking of Ino and Sasuke's reaction to Sakura/Sai makes me happy (in my PANTS!)

[devimelete.livejournal.com]

I have to wonder about Kakashi's reaction to such relationship.

Oooh, it just occurred to me: what if Kakashi tries to get Sakura's attention, but it is Sai who cockblocks? Like your fic "The Replacement Must Go", except with Kakashi.

That has to be pretty damn funny.

[redbrunja.livejournal.com]

I think Kakashi has way to much cock for Sai to successfully block.

Like, Kakashi would be all, "Sai is good for Sakura, they'll be happy" *is horribly jealous*

Sai x Sakura *start dating* *kiss*

Kakashi: Oh, hells, no, I'm breaking up this party right now.

Or, Kakashi *is sauve*

Sai *fails at interpersonal interactions*

Sakura *punches*

Sakura x Kakashi *is teh smex*

Maybe I'm confusing the anime to the manga, but . . .

[devimelete.livejournal.com]

Well, there is that once instant when just before he fought Orochimaru-in-drag-disguise, he did mentally slapped himself for not giving his all for giving team loyalty. Orochimaru then goes on saying "Oh no you didn't," and proceed to give the boy a cursed hickey, causing Sasuke to convientently forgot about team loyalty for the rest of the series.

I agree that Sasuke has some major loyalty issues, but I disagree that he's incapable of learning at least some of it in Part 1. Sasuke's main problem is that his mindset was so fucked up from both his past it made any concept of going beyond himself and his revenge would be difficult for him to comprehend. The moment he finally did understand, he got beaten up and was hammered to back to another issue that he had: not having enough strength to stop the massacre, which was one of the major reasons he left.

Re: Maybe I'm confusing the anime to the manga, but . . .

[redbrunja.livejournal.com]

I think Sasuke has flashes of loyalty, ESPECIALLY to people he considers his peers, but on a larger level? Not really.

And I'm not saying he doesn't have good reason for it, but it IS an unflattering facet of his personality that I think a lot of people ignore, especially when writing him coming back to Konoha.

For example, I lot of people write him having probation of some such, but I don't think a lot of people grock that he really isn't trustworthy, especially to Konoha in general.

Re: Maybe I'm confusing the anime to the manga, but . . .

[devimelete.livejournal.com]

It is a unflattering part of his personality that loads of people ignore when writing fic about him, but it looks like it is the most difficult thing to write about in terms of creating the setting. If he is that untrustworthy, then how is he allowed to walk around within the city's walls? Probation and ANBU tracking him is one the solutions (my paticular favorite is the personality tests, and Sasuke failing them), but it is still a risk.

Re: Maybe I'm confusing the anime to the manga, but . . .

[redbrunja.livejournal.com]

*nods*

It's more that I think people ignore the EMOTIONAL connotations of it. Like, I've read a lot of fics with him being on probation (but not failing personality test, and that is PERFECT) but NONE which have him betraying Konoha again, which i think is honestly a very, very real possibility.