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[redbrunja]

 What are your favorite dirty!wrong ships and why do you like them? (Or why shouldn't you like them?)

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[bellonablack.livejournal.com]

I think most of mine are, for some reason. Could be making that up in my head, but lol, not sure. There are a few that are pretty functional, somewhere.

I think sometimes, it's the tragedy and the could save you/ could damn you, kind of thing. Like this irresitable carcrash of two people trying to relate.

But I don't like glamorized versions of my ships. Like...I don't want certain things and aspects of it written as romantic or...you know?

I love the psychology of it, that is for sure! :) (And the chemistry doesn't hurt either!)

[redbrunja.livejournal.com]

I have to admit, more of my ships lean more towards 'dirty!wrong' than 'functional.' I have a few exceptions (Elena/Stefan springs to mind) but they're rare.

I think sometimes, it's the tragedy and the could save you/ could damn you, kind of thing. Like this irresitable carcrash of two people trying to relate.

This is a great way to describe it, and illustrates what makes the relationship so dramatic and so appealing.

But I don't like glamorized versions of my ships. Like...I don't want certain things and aspects of it written as romantic or...you know?

I do. I hate it when writers (fan or pro) forget about the history of the character and who they really are.

[elizchris.livejournal.com]

Any ship involving Damon Salvatore (tv version). Most people don't ship him the way that I do that I can tell. He's an awful person, and many fan portrayals soften him up too much. On the other hand, I really hate corruption stories that are treated like happy endings. If Elena, Bonnie, Alaric, or whoever ends up smiling approvingly as Damon remains gleefully murderous, I want to feel like something precious has been lost. I got no time for empty nihilism.

I ship Draco/Hermione as a dirty!wrong ship. I like Draco Malfoy as a spoiled, racist daddy's boy whose genuinely dangerous because he's easy to write off. I don't read any Draco/Hermione in the text of the books, but I tend to put bad boys and good girls together reflexively regardless of what the text says. Anyway, this is one that I read as a one-sided thing that drives Draco nuts while Hermion vaguely wonders why Malfoy is acting so odd. This ship works either as farce or d!w I don't find much of this in the seas of Draco/Hermione.

Boyd/Ava has d!w potential for me. I feel this works more with AUs than with canon which has been threading a particularly fine needle just beautifully for my money. Still, I keep formulating variations like Raylan doesn't shoot Tommy Bucks where things get dirty and wrong really fast.

My true dirty!wrong ship is from A Song of Ice and Fire. My super duper ultra guilty pleasure is Sandor/Sansa. He ... a hideously scarred henchman in his late twenties who likes killing and barely pubescent red heads. She ... a boy crazy goody two shoes who's about the most unpopular character in the series AND a barely pubescent red head. Oh yeah. This is the ship that hits all my twisted power imbalance buttons. I ship about a million other pairings in George R.R. Martin's universe, but this is the one that's sending me to hell. Of all my d!w ships, this is the one that I actively don't want to be canon. Part of it is the sheer wrongness, and the other part is that what I want (happiness! rainbows! babies!) would break a series I dearly love.

[redbrunja.livejournal.com]

Most people don't ship him the way that I do that I can tell. He's an awful person, and many fan portrayals soften him up too much.

Agreed. And frankly, I think the show's writers help them there...

On the other hand, I really hate corruption stories that are treated like happy endings. If Elena, Bonnie, Alaric, or whoever ends up smiling approvingly as Damon remains gleefully murderous,

Agreed. Plus, it's completely out of character for whichever one of Damon's love interests you're using....

Anyway, this is one that I read as a one-sided thing that drives Draco nuts while Hermion vaguely wonders why Malfoy is acting so odd.

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I must admit, when I shipped Draco/Hermione I did it in the most Draco-in-leather-pants way possible. What can I say? I was a young, fannish newbie.

Boyd/Ava has d!w potential for me. I feel this works more with AUs than with canon which has been threading a particularly fine needle just beautifully for my money. Still, I keep formulating variations like Raylan doesn't shoot Tommy Bucks where things get dirty and wrong really fast.


Or setting it preseries. That's one way to exponentially up the creep factor.

As for ASoIaF.... everyone I know who's read those books is like, 'Sandor/Sansa....so wrong, and yet....' I read the first novel, so I saw it too.

[blackestfaery.livejournal.com]

I think my one dirty!wrong ship that I have only written one fic for that has never been published is Jiraiya/Sakura. One glaring and obvious reason why I shouldn't like the ship is the fact that Sakura in the manga is about 16 years old at most and Jiraiya (aside from the other fact that he's dead) is most definitely over 50.

But then again, I've always had an age difference kink, a height difference kink (Jiraiya is massive), and Jiraiya was a well-known womanizer. Now, whether he actually slept with all those women or used it as a cover for when he was spying on other villages, I have no idea. But a part of me likes to think that he can back up the claims pretty easily.

And Sakura? Well, frankly, I think the girl needs a good shag.

OKAY. Fine, Kakashi/Sakura is more like it. These two fit all my above kinks and there's the teacher/student forbidden aspect of them as well. Hm, so good...

[redbrunja.livejournal.com]

And Sakura? Well, frankly, I think the girl needs a good shag.

No argument here! Although, logic notwithstanding, I find Kakashi/Sakura LESS dirty!wrong than Jiraiya/Sakura. It's not as if the twenty years less is THAT much of an age difference... plus Kakashi is her teacher... and yet.

I also wanted to point out with Jiraiya/Sakura, that she is the next gen version of the woman he was in love with for years. Just throwing that out there.

[natural-blue-26.livejournal.com]

I also wanted to point out with Jiraiya/Sakura, that she is the next gen version of the woman he was in love with for years. Just throwing that out there.

Word. I never really shipped Jiraiya with anyone other than Tsunade, but this is a very good point. :)

[hungrytiger11.livejournal.com]

.... I probably could say Neji/Hinata from Naruto since they are cousins and their dads were identical twins and all making their genetics too close for this to be a good thing. BUT that's actually a part I've never thought of as wrong. Historically there's cousins marrying has been common and with the Main/Branch house thing, I think it makes a lot of sense politically too. They're probably more messed up for the fact that Neji nearly killed Hinata and blamed her for years for his dad's death. That's what makes it d!w, in my opinion. I love these two for the politics and their complicated past and how they (in fanon at least) do or do not over come that.

Neji/Hina must have been a gateway incest pairing though, because since then I've found myself liking those types of pairings (sounds messed up!) I am especially in love with Lucy/Edmund from Narnia. Partly because I love Lucy and I love Edmund, but I find their issues interesting. Like, Edmund and the guilt of betrayal contrasted to Lucy and her steadfast faith. Plus, I love the idea of them having adventures and battles together as A Boy and His Horse hints they do :) Susan/Peter are interesting too, for their individual dynamics of Susan's loss of belief (or at least acknowledgement of) Narnia.

Lastly, I might be the only one who ever liked this pairing much but Owen/Gwen from Torchwood was a couple I was *really* pulling for and they were rather wrong. Not so much for who they were to each other or anything, but the relatioship just felt sort of icky. I mean, Gwen's cheating on her boyfriend with Owen and its pretty clearly all about sex, and a co-worker is in love with Owen and Owen is kinda a not-so-great guy anyway which just lends extra twardri-ness to the affair. But. Even though its all about the sex, its all about the sex *as an emotional outlet* for what they are seeing on the job and can never really share with others who are not part of Torchwood. And that had so much possiblity to lead to a deepening of their relationship.

[redbrunja.livejournal.com]

They're probably more messed up for the fact that Neji nearly killed Hinata and blamed her for years for his dad's death. That's what makes it d!w, in my opinion. I love these two for the politics and their complicated past and how they (in fanon at least) do or do not over come that.

Agreed. It's definitely the emotional element of Hyuuga family politics that really makes Neji and Hinata complicated - it's given them a really fraught history and the fact that marriage between them WOULD be politically advantageous means that they could use what's best for the clan to obscure their feelings for each other.

[hungrytiger11.livejournal.com]

Ah, yes. The politics of it makes it very interesting too. I like Hinata/ either Uchiha for the political reasons too....

[iapetusneume.livejournal.com]

I'm trying to think of dirty!wrong pairings I have in fandoms we share. I have a great one for Dragon Age, but it doesn't sound to me like you've played it.

...hmmm.

A part of me likes Harry/Molly from Dresden Files, but it's not something I actively look for. To me it's wrong on a lot of levels because he watched her grow up. It isn't even so much the teacher/student thing because that's really a case-by-case basis for me (some pairings in that relationship I love to ship, others I like to keep to friendship-only), and I know part of it is that this is Michael's daughter. Harry being old enough to be Molly's father doesn't bug me, but for some reason it does when he's such good friends with her dad. Also, she's underage for a lot we've seen so far. So, it comes out as a pairing I don't like admitting out loud that I like to read very often, and she isn't my favorite match for Harry either. But I have read a few wonderful fics that were just too fantastic not to love.

I always feel weird shipping characters who, in canon, hate each other. I'm not the sort of person who goes "zomg rivals = lovers!!!111!!!one!", but on occasion I do. I like the idea of a pairing like this in Dragon Age, and they aren't my favorite pairing but I'm sad that I can't find anything for them. It's hard because they really, really hate each other. (Morrigan/Alistair, for anyone curious.)

Oh! I also love the idea of Darken Rahl/Richard, and oh man, was my mind confused with itself on that one. This one bugs me because it would involve non-con of some sort to work, and I'm not usually into that. Also, because Richard loves Kaelen so much. I have no idea how it could work and keep them In Character, but my mind keeps on thinking it sounds hot. But all of the Plot Reasons keep coming up and that's why I think it's wrong on a number of levels.

[redbrunja.livejournal.com]

Yeah, I haven't played Dragon Age. I'm actually not a gamer.

TBH, I'm NOT a big fan of Molly/Harry, simple because they seem to have such a huge power differential. While I do ship some student/teacher pairings, there is usually at least one element that balances out the teachers power... and Molly really doesn't have that. In power, life experience, and emotional maturity, Harry is Molly's superior.

Oh! I also love the idea of Darken Rahl/Richard, and oh man, was my mind confused with itself on that one. This one bugs me because it would involve non-con of some sort to work, and I'm not usually into that. Also, because Richard loves Kaelen so much. I have no idea how it could work and keep them In Character, but my mind keeps on thinking it sounds hot.

Plus, they're brothers. Frankly, there are a lot of reasons why that won't work... but I am fair enough to admit that those two boys are SMOKING and sometimes, that's reason enough for a pairing.

[meitah.livejournal.com]

Snape/Hermione has to be my main d!w ship. I have a thing about people who are dark and not particularly social, but not evil that Snape sums up pretty well. And I have a thing about smart women who really could go either way if they wanted to on the moral spectrum, which fits Hermione.

Adelle/Echo also makes the list, if only for the squick and power issues involved with pairing anyone with a doll. But they're both so badass that, if handled properly, the power issues can be either negligible or half the fun of the pair.

Azula/Katara is my other big one. With them, it's one mind game after another, and once Katara learned the game, they'd be on nearly equal footing, which keeps things interesting.

[redbrunja.livejournal.com]

I have a thing about people who are dark and not particularly social, but not evil that Snape sums up pretty well.

Agreed. And given Snape's antagonistic relationship with, you know, EVERYONE there is even a bit of enemy!ship in there.

[ever-neutral.livejournal.com]

Oh man, I totally loved Nina/Tomas in "Black Swan". Mostly 'cause the squicky power issues make it disturbingly hot, but I also just loved that final kiss after she's "won". It was kind of weirdly sweet.

There's also Kara/Leoben, and Damon/Katherine, and Wesley/Faith. And oh, Tom Riddle/Ginny Weasley. All of which include a history of abuse and questionable consent issues. Yep.

[redbrunja.livejournal.com]

Oh, man, I have such a soft spot for Faith/Wesley and yet it's SO screwed up. (But, actually given Faith's growth and Wes' character arc, could actually end up being weirdly functional.)

[tobu-ishi.livejournal.com]

*sigh* Vincent Valentine/Yuffie Kisaragi, Zabuza/Haku, 2-D/Noodle, Holly Short/Artemis Fowl. Why do so many of my OTPs involve a whopping age difference plus a teenaged younger partner? OTL

[qualapec.livejournal.com]

Dude, if she was like, three feet taller I'd ship Holly with Butler so hard.

[river-soul.livejournal.com]

Oh man, pretty much ALL my ships are of the dirty/bad/wrong persuasion. I love the older man/younger woman(girl) trope and even more so when the man is violent/evil/morally gray or bad guy trying to go right but sorta failing.

Snape/Hermione was my first bad ship and will forever be my favorite. I use to gobble up fic for them during high school and college, right after it came out that he was a death eater. I still have about 50 stories favorited for them that I'll go back and reread now and then. (also the twins/ginny because I'm horrible or something)

Other ships are:

Cassie/Nick from Push is also epically wrong.

McCoy/girl!Chekov because that's sorta weirdly wrong for Star Trek

John Grimm/Sam Grim from the movie Doom because a.) incest and b.) scientist/solider trope is happening.

River/Simon from Firefly always has merit.

Boyd/Ava of course for reasons we've discussed indepth!

Leoben/Kara

Rahl/Jennsen

There are others I'm probably forgetting but for the most part....yes!

[natural-blue-26.livejournal.com]

Oh man, pretty much ALL my ships are of the dirty/bad/wrong persuasion. I love the older man/younger woman(girl) trope and even more so when the man is violent/evil/morally gray or bad guy trying to go right but sorta failing.

Snape/Hermione was my first bad ship and will forever be my favorite.

Good to know I'm not the only one ^_^

[redbrunja.livejournal.com]

I love the older man/younger woman(girl) trope and even more so when the man is violent/evil/morally gray or bad guy trying to go right but sorta failing.

Not gonna lie, that dynamic definitely has its appeal. And I'm also a fan of Cassie/Nick from Push. That has the bonus of an older/younger pairing with some really nice power dynamics courtesy of Cassie's power and personality.

Rahl/Jennsen

Yeah, they were so awesome together. So fucked up, but so awesome.

[river-soul.livejournal.com]

interested in beta'ing a rahl/jennsen fic?

[redbrunja.livejournal.com]

*taps head*

I'm sorry, I know you've asked me that before. Yes, I am interested but my life is CRAZY right now. Honestly, I think you might want to ask someone who will be able to give you feedback in a more timely manner.

That said, I cannot wait to read it.

[despairinbeauty.livejournal.com]

Er...this leads me to at least one particular ship I am fanatical about right now. ^^; Even though...I'm not sure if it is because I am twisted or something.

Orihara Izaya/Kamichika Rio from Durarara!! (an anime/manga, though I am probably talking about the anime version). The former, the guy, is a psychopath/sociopath who loves manipulation, psychology and power play. The latter, a teenaged girl, was someone who he had messed with emotionally in ways, though he had never really thrown her into extremely horrible situations (unless you count holding her from jumping over the edge of a building a horrible situation, which I would agree is scary). The thing is, Izaya was able to convince the girl that he was an ordinary, sensitive guy from over the internet with family issues like herself through his words, enough to make the girl feel that there was hope in the world when her father was cheating on her mother and her mother didn't care (very messed up family she had). What's more, Rio had two things that most of the teenaged girls of her age didn't: intelligence and courage. It struck me that she was someone who might, with enough observation and time, be able to keep up with Izaya in ways to counter him.

However...just because that was the case, Izaya/Rio was one of those pairings that became a seriously dark guilty pleasure. Not only is Izaya incapable of loving anyone (sociopaths, after all, feel only shallow feelings for the most part), but the fact that he could still manipulate Rio to some extent showed that this pairing was not something to be taken nicely. There are no rainbows or singing birds or flowers for this kind of relationship, and it was precisely that which attracted me to it. Rio was the kind of bright girl who could hold her own and find a predictable life (graduate from high school, go to college, find a job, be married to a normal man), but she was also the kind of girl who would choose something not so predictable. She had an inner fire that made her very determined and intense and overwhelmingly dynamic that attracts me to her persona deeply. Knowing Izaya, who is someone who likes to play with people and would find it amusing to see Rio living well and trying to defy his words, he would very likely come back to her just to see if he could mess with her.

[redbrunja.livejournal.com]

Wow, that sounds deliciously interesting. What I like about it is while it sounds super-fucked up and screwy, the power isn't all in one direction; the way you describe her, and how she would sort of choose the male character is very interesting.