Tell Me More About The Lady!Parts

[redbrunja]

THIS.

Only, because it's me, it's 'dick' SINGULAR. (I'm a firm believer in one penis or less per sex scene. And by firm believer, I mean that's just what I find sexiest.)

Also, this leads into two things I've been pondering.

1. I've been reading a lot of fucking filthy (in the BEST way) fanfic smut, which has me going, 'you know, I really need to up my smutty game. Get more explicit. Don't shy away from the dirty talk. At the same time....
2. I was working on a fanfic where the fic's climax (that's what she didn't say) doesn't get past first base (there are characterization reasons for this) and writing the kissing was so. hard. How do you say, 'so there was tongue but not too much tongue' in a hot way? Seriously, never have I more strongly wished I could pull a hot boy from out of my closet to make out with for research purposes. I mean, I often wish I could pull a hot boy out of my closet but that's usually more directly related to my libido and less related to trying to be accurate when describing how much tongue was used.

Comments

[hungrytiger11.livejournal.com]

Maybe watch the kiss scene from Hitchcock's Notorious. Its pretty much famous for hot tongue-but-not-too-much (it had to be very clever to meet censor needs but still be more steamy than anything else on screen then.)

[jade-sabre-301.livejournal.com]

ooooooooooooooooooh my Loooooooooooooooooooooord you just made a Notorious reference and I have to love you forever. RED HAVE YOU SEEN THIS MOVIE. YOU WOULD LOVE THIS MOVIE.

as uh for further advice for tongue um is it the difference between running the tongue along teeth versus trying to reach the soft palate? Also there's active tongue-on-tongue action versus tongue-happening-to-be-in-mouth-while-trying-to-get-as-close-as-possible-to-the-other-person action. Uh none of those things I am saying actually sound hot, but, you know.

[redbrunja.livejournal.com]

I have not seen Notorious! But given that it is Hitchchock + spies + steamy kisses, I'm going to have to fix that!

Also there's active tongue-on-tongue action versus tongue-happening-to-be-in-mouth-while-trying-to-get-as-close-as-possible-to-the-other-person action. Uh none of those things I am saying actually sound hot, but, you know.

That's exactly the problem! How to describe it so it SOUNDS hot. It's hard (that's what she said).

[redbrunja.livejournal.com]

Noted!

[empressearwig.livejournal.com]

Kissing is kind of terrible to describe. Which is why I hate doing it why I hate the fact that all I want to read/write is Dick/Zatanna porn, because I am the last person in the world that should be doing so. The writing it part, I mean. I am an excellent reader. Should anyone else be so inclined.

[redbrunja.livejournal.com]

Which is why I hate doing it why I hate the fact that all I want to read/write is Dick/Zatanna porn, because I am the last person in the world that should be doing so. The writing it part, I mean.

SHUT YOUR WHORE MOUTH.

HOW DARE YOU SAY THAT, ON THE VERY DAY THAT YOU POST SEXY, ANGSTY ZATANNA/DICK.

You know you're awesome.

Also, the great benefit to writing Dick/Zatanna, is that I think both of them would have a very fast escalation period - I don't see those two as people would would just hang out necking, you know? They'd pretty constantly have to up the stakes.

[empressearwig.livejournal.com]

Haha, I cannot be remotely objective about my own writing, especially if it involves anything remotely sexy. It's a terrible thing, but it's not false modesty, I assure you. I just cross my fingers and hope others like it.

But yes, you make an excellent point. I mean, teenage them might be more into necking (I hope so, necking is fun), but especially five years later them, who have more of a FWB relationship? Yes. Things would probably escalate quickly.

[redbrunja.livejournal.com]

Haha, I cannot be remotely objective about my own writing, especially if it involves anything remotely sexy. It's a terrible thing, but it's not false modesty, I assure you. I just cross my fingers and hope others like it.

That really, really sucks. I say because one of the ways that I 'test' fics is whether reading something, *I* find it enjoyable or not.

But yes, you make an excellent point. I mean, teenage them might be more into necking (I hope so, necking is fun), but especially five years later them, who have more of a FWB relationship? Yes. Things would probably escalate quickly.

Agreed.

[anat-astarte.livejournal.com]

LOL I so feel you! (Y'know in the meeting of the minds kinda way) This is exactly why I joined homebrewbingo lol.

[deathmallow.livejournal.com]

(FP) And I hit the wrong button. Sorry! Go me, not enough caffeine...:P

[anat-astarte.livejournal.com]

It's ok! I'm trying to work on more of the character(s) development part myself, and that's where the challenge part of the challenge is. XD

[deathmallow.livejournal.com]

Ugh, I hear you on this. Writing explicit smut is something that's still kind of out there for me because it so easily tips over into awkward or overdescriptive or pretty much just a clinical laundry list of what's going where and I feel like I lose the chars in describing what someone's tongue or cock is doing and it's not hot, it's just kind of boring.

It's definitely something I'm working on...what's worked for me towards becoming more comfortable with it is honestly writing a story where sex is part of char development so it effectively forces me to write it, but there's good cause to address both the physical and emotional aspects so it feels more natural rather than "Eh, I'm just writing smut". (THG, Haymitch/Johanna stuff, because you know they've both got to be fairly sexually fucked up...)

Generally, less is more, I think? If you feel like you're overdescribing, try stepping back a bit and see if it gets the point across OK.

[redbrunja.livejournal.com]

but there's good cause to address both the physical and emotional aspects so it feels more natural rather than "Eh, I'm just writing smut".

*nods* Having an emotional issue that is either being repressed or expressed in a sex scene can be HUGELY helpful, imho.

[qualapec.livejournal.com]

(I think the link's broken?)

Kissing/smut is one of those things that is difficult for me to write. I've read about it so many times. I know some people who can do it wonderful and keep it character-driven, but it just kind of reaches a point where I want to say, "They just bone, okay?"

EDIT: And I've asked people about this before, and the response I usually get is, "Show, don't tell." Which is extremely unhelpful if you don't know what words to use.

[redbrunja.livejournal.com]

(I think the link's broken?)

It was. That should be fixed now.

EDIT: And I've asked people about this before, and the response I usually get is, "Show, don't tell." Which is extremely unhelpful if you don't know what words to use.

I truly feel that, hands-down, the hardest thing about writing smut is what words to use, ESPECIALLY for the lady business. Because you've got to pick words that a.) work for the audience and b.) work for the pov character AND THERE AREN'T THAT MANY WORDS FOR VAGINA IN THE FIRST PLACE.

[rashaka.livejournal.com]

HAHAHA, that's an awesome quote. I feel I can relate to this whole post a lot because of the M-rated fic I've been writing all month for J/A. So far I've done blow job, boring sex, and hot sex, all in this one fic. I was once again forced to scour my memory and the thesaurus for synonyms to "vagina" and "thrust". You can imagine the former was a lot more difficult than the latter.

I need more words for lady-parts! I would totally get more specific if there were more vocabulary. Because "thatch" is so awful IDEK, "twat" is too derogatory, "cunt" is either really hot or really offensive, but either way has to be used very sparingly, "pussy" just makes me roll my eyes because even my porn is not that porny, and "vagina" just makes me think of my old job, which was the opposite of sexy. I like "quim", but it's British so I don't think it really fits with American character thought processes.

For the last chapter, I just listened to this on repeat. No kidding, I did. FOR HOURS. But now I'm on another chapter so that means I have to find a different song...




I was just discussing with nyclove3 how much we both hated it when authors mentioned "sexy times" in the summary and then don't deliver. WE WANT THE PORN. I'm in my late 20s now, I can admit to being a perv.

[redbrunja.livejournal.com]

I need more words for lady-parts! I would totally get more specific if there were more vocabulary. Because "thatch" is so awful IDEK, "twat" is too derogatory, "cunt" is either really hot or really offensive, but either way has to be used very sparingly, "pussy" just makes me roll my eyes because even my porn is not that porny, and "vagina" just makes me think of my old job, which was the opposite of sexy. I like "quim", but it's British so I don't think it really fits with American character thought processes.

*nods* Cunt is either perfect of wrong. Personally, an occasional 'pussy' works for me. It's gonna be a while until I can read/hear the word "quim" without hearing it in Loki's voice (opposite of sexy) and vagina is TOTALLY unsexy.

Lana Del Rey is fantastic. And has great music videos.

how much we both hated it when authors mentioned "sexy times" in the summary and then don't deliver. WE WANT THE PORN. I'm in my late 20s now, I can admit to being a perv.


So freaking frustrating when that happens!

[rashaka.livejournal.com]

I think I like cunt (if used well), because it's a hard, sharp word that can have dramatic sound, and it's something that you can re-purpose and own. From men it's pretty universally bad, but for women you can, if you make the effort, re-purpose "cunt." In context. But only if you're female. I don't take that shit from male humans.

OTOH, I don't think I can ever repurpose "pussy" into something sexy, to me. There's an inherent weakness to the word at its base metaphor. Pussy will always mean a infantile animal plaything that exists for someone's amusement... or a weaker person who is easily dismissed by others.

[redbrunja.livejournal.com]

Totally agreed about cunt. Pussy, for me, has a playfulness that can really work nicely in some fics, but I can totally see where you're coming from.